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ATI's Avivo vs. NVIDIA's PureVideo: De-Interlacing Quality Compared
ATI's Avivo vs. NVIDIA's PureVideo: De-Interlacing Quality Compared
Date: October 5th, 2005
Topic: Video Card
Manufacturer: ATI
Author: Anand Lal Shimpi
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Late last month. ATI announced their Avivo platform, which would become ATI's new baseline for overall picture and video quality on the PC.  The problem with ATI's launch last month was that, without any R5xx GPUs, the Avivo platform was literally nothing more than ATI's Theater 550 TV tuner, which is pretty much old news by this point.  Luckily, today we have ATI's Radeon X1800, X1600 and X1300 GPUs, all of which are Avivo compliant GPUs, so we can begin actually testing the features of Avivo.  Well, not exactly.

Despite what ATI told us at our Avivo briefing last month (although ATI insists that it was a miscommunication), H.264 decode acceleration is not launching alongside the R5xx GPUs.  ATI is committed to bringing both H.264 decode acceleration and transcode assist by the end of the year, but for now, we have no way of testing those features. Update: Just to clarify, the R5xx GPUs do feature hardware support for H.264 acceleration. We have seen the decode acceleration in action on an X1800 twice, once at Computex and once at ATI's Avivo briefing in NYC. What ATI does not yet have ready is driver and application support for the acceleration, which we are hearing will be ready sometime in November, or at least by the end of the year.

The capture and encoding aspects of Avivo, we've already looked at with the Theater 550, which leaves Avivo's 10-bit display pipeline, Xileon TV encoder, dual-link DVI, and ATI's enhanced de-interlacing/video scaling.  And we're holding off on testing the Xileon TV encoder until we get a component dongle for the cards.

Two of the aforementioned features are very easy to talk about, especially now that we have ATI's solutions in house.  For starters, the 10-bit display pipeline is truly difficult to quantify, much less demonstrate as a noticeable advantage in normal usage that the R5xx GPUs offer over their predecessors.  While there is undoubtedly some advantage, during our short time with the cards focusing on Avivo testing, we weren't able to discern that advantage. 

The next feature that's easy to talk about is the R5xx's integrated dual-link TMDS transmitter(s).  As we mentioned in our original Avivo preview, this means that any R5xx GPU should be able to support current and upcoming high-resolution LCD monitors, such as Apple's 30" Cinema Display.  It is up to the board manufacturer to decide how many dual-link DVI ports are placed on a specific board, but the GPU should support a minimum of one dual-link DVI port. 

The Radeon X1800 series will support up to two dual-link DVI ports, while the X1600 and X1300 will support up to one dual-link and one single-link port. 

We, of course, tested the new GPUs' dual link DVI with Apple's 30" Cinema Display, and here, we ran into our first problem.  The RV515 (Radeon X1300) board that we were sent by ATI only had a single-link DVI output and one analog VGA output on it for some reason.  A quick email to ATI revealed that the board that we had was just a reference board, and the shipping version of the card would be equipped with a dual-link DVI port.

So, we switched to the Radeon X1600 card that ATI sent us (RV530), and that worked perfectly.  The card had no problems running at the 30" display's native 2560 x 1600 resolution.

With those features out of the way, it was time to test the most intricate feature of Avivo that we had available to us: ATI's updated de-interlacing and scaling algorithms.

Before proceeding, be sure that you've read our primer on why de-interlacing is necessary and what contributes to good image quality while de-interlacing.

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20 Comments - Last by TheSnowman, 1586 days ago
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by cirrhosis, 1588 days ago
Interesting. Here's hoping that ATI improves on what they've started. Looking forward to the comoing months and what they bring.

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Wheres the technology and gaming performacne article! by Hacp, 1588 days ago
GRAKK!

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by Live, 1588 days ago
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For now, be sure to read our technology and gaming performance coverage on ATI's Radeon X1000 line.


I would if I could. Quit teasing us and give as the real deal, lol.

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by cirrhosis, 1588 days ago
INQ has benchies already. Not a surprise. Cards are matched.

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Ati Catalyst 8.18 beta by vailr, 1588 days ago
Newer driver version?
Ati Catalyst 8.18 beta:
http://www.station-drivers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5981#5981

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Vertical detail by user loser, 1588 days ago
Am I the only one that thinks the NV version of "De-Interlacing Quality: Vertical Detail" (page 3) is worse? Some of the red/green alternating lines are completely green or lose detail.

Compare to the original:
http://www.belle-nuit.com/testchart.html
(720 * 486 (NTSC) )

And how often do the different film cadence modes get used really ? (However, they get the same amount of points (weight) as some more elementary tests.) And I can't tell the functional difference between ATI/NV in the second image in page 9 "De-Interlacing Quality - Mixed 3:2 Film With Added Video Titles".

Or are the reasons for these differences only visible in moving video?



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RE: Vertical detail by TheSnowman, 1588 days ago
[quote] And I can't tell the functional difference between ATI/NV in the second image in page 9 "De-Interlacing Quality - Mixed 3:2 Film With Added Video Titles".

Or are the reasons for these differences only visible in moving video?[/quote]
Nah, de-interlacing artfacts would always turn up in the proper still framegrab and be easier to see that way as well, but I can't see any de-interlacing artfacts on any of the shots that are claimed to have such issues so am at a loss to understand the author's conclusions on that page. The first ATI shot does show some nasty compression for some reason or another, but I don't see any of interlacing issues in the shots on that page from either ATI or Nvidia.

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RE: Vertical detail by Anand Lal Shimpi, 1588 days ago
It's tough to see here, but those are actually supposed to be interlacing artifacts. They appear as compression artifacts here, but in motion you get a very clear lined pattern.

Take care,
Anand

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RE: Vertical detail by TheSnowman, 1587 days ago
I don't follow, the text at the bottom which the test askes to be compared defiantly doesn't show any interlacing artifacts in the posted pics while compression artifacts are mostly in the top right of the image and on the hands. The text does look a bit sharper on Nvidia, but best I can tell that is just from appling a sharpening fliter as that seems to be pretty obviously the case in the last shot with the fingers on piano keys and the slight shifts in geometry than can be seen there.

Also, since the compression artifacts only appear in the first ATI shot, I can't help but wonder if that came about from downsampling as the jpg to under 40mb which nearly a quarter of what a full quality jpg of that resolution would be. Regardless, I am curious to see any further explnation of de-interlacing issues with the new r5xx chips as I would hate to try and upgrade my media center card only to wind up with worse de-interlacing than on my current r420 based card.

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RE: Vertical detail by Anand Lal Shimpi, 1587 days ago
The text itself is fine, it is the background image where the interlacing artifacts are seen. I'll see if I can get a better screen grab tonight.

Take care,
Anand

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