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Intel X38 Tango - Is High FSB Overclocking Worth It?
Intel X38 Tango - Is High FSB Overclocking Worth It?
Date: February 26th, 2008
Topic: CPU & Chipset
Manufacturer: ASUS
Author: Rajinder Gill
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Dancin' with the Devil

Just about every review site has taken a unique approach to motherboard testing at one time or another, especially when it comes to overclocking. Over the last few months, we have taken a slightly different approach with the performance-oriented motherboards by offering additional technical information and a few BIOS guides to help end-users set up the ever more complicated BIOS functions that are available on today's boards. Our primary directive is to ensure everything we achieve in the cozy confines of the labs is fully repeatable with the same off-the-shelf retail components and settings.

The basic test criteria we use when overclocking the Intel enthusiast boards is setting FSB speeds in the 400-465FSB region. We ensure tRD is set as low as possible while keeping component voltages to a minimum level for stable long-term use. This type of overclocking might not sound very sexy - Patrick Swayze would dump us fast for not doing the Argentine tango with high FSB rates. However, our recent forays into dissecting DDR2 and DDR3-based motherboard overclocking have shown that tRD (Read Delay) is the most important tunable BIOS option available to the overclocker when seeking measureable performance improvements when overclocking Core 2 processors.

Those who wish to increase their insight or review just what the Northbridge strap setting and tRD are, how they both work, and why we are enamored with these settings are advised to read this article first and parse through this one for additional background information. Most overclockers are thoroughly aware that increasing processor voltage is required to allow speed scaling, but may fail to realize that raising MCH voltage is necessary when using a higher processor multiplier. The primary reason is to cope with the additional data throughput via the chipset busses as FSB levels rise.

Early implementations of the P965 chipset allowed FSB scaling to reach levels that were unheard of (in conjunction with the Core 2 Duo) by increasing the overall chipset latency at certain FSB points. Quite often, the deficit in chipset latencies at higher FSB speeds was enough to nullify a processor core speed increase of 100Mhz or more - meaning that a higher FSB overclock would trail the performance of a lower CPU speed using a lower FSB and higher CPU multiplier (due to Northbridge strap latency changes). It was not until the P965 was about to be replaced by the P35 that we finally began to see the release of high performance 965 boards - namely the Abit Quad GT and the DFI P965-S "Dark". These boards locked the 1066 Northbridge strap, while allowing Front Side Bus speeds near or above 500FSB that retained linear performance scaling to some degree.



To date, we have noticed that properly tuned Intel P35/X38/X48 chipsets also feature near linear performance scaling as FSB speeds rise. In fact, although NB strap changes are available manually, the straps really do nothing at this point but allow the use of different memory dividers. We are finding that increases in Northbridge voltages between a 6x and 7x multiplier may not be huge if even needed, but when we step over to the 8x multiplier (at equivalent settings) we have noticed a major jump is usually required in VMCH to hold the applied overclock "stable".

This is true even on the latest top-end motherboards featuring the X38/X48 chipsets. Therefore, using an 8X or 9X multiplier to show a high FSB holds more merit to the board and CPU capabilities than using a 6X multiplier to show off a board's high FSB capabilities. If a board can achieve a high stable FSB with a higher multiplier, it makes sense that a lower multiplier will have no problem achieving the same or greater FSB speeds.

For the seasoned overclocker nothing we have said above is anything new or groundbreaking. Our main goal though is to remain realistic for our readers, so that we show what is really possible rather than something that can only be held together with chewing gum and sticky tape for 5 minutes for that impressive SuperPi 1M screenshot.

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16 Comments - Last by pringlep0, 481 days ago
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Great article by Sylvanas, 634 days ago
haha nice use of all the dance references, made my day.

Great article, I enjoy these articles explaining more about Trd and various other BIOS settings, goes to show intelligent overclocking > max voltage/fsb stupidity.

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nicely written by Owls, 633 days ago
and very informative. thanks!

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Nice :) by enigma1997, 633 days ago
A great article - it truely shows how to overclock intelligently - it's based on facts/evidences, not blindly increase the whatever voltage and see what can be achieved. Congrat!!

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lol by Samus, 633 days ago
An unusually written article if I've ever seen one ;)

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RE: lol by goinginstyle, 633 days ago
I really enjoyed it and look forward to another one with Quad Cores if possible. Loved disco Stu and based on the dancing comments it seems as if Gary's humor has rubbed off on you.

One thing, is it possible to show a few more applications in the next article, gaming is fine, but would like to see what happens with encoding and Maya/Photoshop when overclocking a system. I barely can get above 400FSB with a Q6600 at 8x and hold steady on a Intel X38 board.

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RE: lol by Rajinder Gill, 633 days ago
Hi,

We can take a look at Quad VMCH next up. Along with some different software too...

regards
Raja


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Wiggle by Griswold, 633 days ago
Disco Stu likes the style of this article!

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"performance memory" != low cas latency always by menting, 633 days ago
the author questions why some memory manufacturers sell CAS9 DDR3-1900 as "performance memory" even though it means it has pitiful cas latency. The reason is that "performance" cannot be judged by cas latency alone. Sure with a low latency you can get a burst of data quicker, but with back to back reads on a memory, a higher clock speed is better. So it all depends how you want to look at it and how applications make use of the memory.

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RE: "performance memory" != low cas latency always by Rajinder Gill, 633 days ago
Hi,

I would still rather buy performance parts that scale to Cas 7 at ddr 1800 than Cas 9 at DDR 1900+. The FSB/tRD and VMCH requirements just don't make intelligent sense. Then we have the 2N command rate to play with when we begin to scale much past DR-1900. I would call it a lose-lose situation.

regards
Raja



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Nice article! Keep 'em coming! by Nickel020, 633 days ago
I quite like the recent articles, that kind of quality infos & analysis is very rare.
I also liked the inclusion of some real world benchmarks, although the tRD article was great, I was missing some benchmarks demonstrating the real world effects.

Only thing is that DDR3 is still not an issue for most people, but the article is still well worth reading since since it explains underlying factors that affect performance.

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