Battlefield 3

Its popularity aside, Battlefield 3 may be the most interesting game in our benchmark suite for a single reason: it’s the first AAA DX10+ game. It’s been 5 years since the launch of the first DX10 GPUs, and 3 whole process node shrinks later we’re finally to the point where games are using DX10’s functionality as a baseline rather than an addition. Not surprisingly BF3 is one of the best looking games in our suite, but as with past Battlefield games that beauty comes with a high performance cost.

The reduction in memory bandwidth and ROP throughput coming from the GTX 670 comes with roughly an 11% performance cost here, just about splitting the difference between the best and worst case scenarios.  This is important for the GTX 660 Ti since it means the card doesn’t surrender NVIDIA’s performance advantage in BF3. At 1920 with FXAA that means the GTX 660 Ti has a huge 30% performance lead over the 7950, and even the 7970 falls behind the GTX 660 Ti. The only real disappointment here is that 1920 with MSAA isn’t quite playable – 53fps means that framerates will bottom out in the mid-20s, which isn’t desirable.

Meanwhile the factory overclocked cards continue to up the ante, and ends up being another game that factory overclocks offer a decent improvement. Zotac tops the factory cards at 10%, followed by Gigabyte and EVGA. We’re once again seeing the impact of Zotac’s memory overclock, and how in memory bandwidth limited situations it’s more important than Gigabyte’s higher power target, though Gigabyte does come close.

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  • CeriseCogburn - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - link

    No contribution there. Reply
  • claysm - Wednesday, August 22, 2012 - link

    The article says that the 660 Ti is an average of 10-15% faster than the 7870, and that's true. But I feel that that average doesn't reflect how close those two cards really are in most games. If you throw out the results for Portal 2 and Battlefield 3 (since they are nVidia blowouts), the 660 Ti is only about 5% faster than the 7870.
    Now obviously you can't just throw those results away because you don't like them, but if you're not playing BF3 or Portal 2, then the 660 Ti and the 7870 are actually very close. And given the recent price drop of the 7870, it would definitely win the price/performance mark.
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  • CeriseCogburn - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - link

    At what resolution ?
    Oh, doesn't matter apparently.
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  • claysm - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - link

    At every resolution tested. 1680x1050, 1920x1200, and 2560x1600. Reply
  • CeriseCogburn - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - link

    Not true nice try though not really was pathetic Reply
  • CeriseCogburn - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - link

    No PhysX, no adaptive v-sync, inferior 3D, inferior 3 panel gaming, no target frame rate, poorer IQ, the list goes on and on.
    you have to be a fanboy fool to buy amd, and there are a lot of fools around, you being one of them.
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  • claysm - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - link

    PhysX is not that great. There is only a single this year that will have PhysX support, and that is Borderlands 2. Most of the effects that PhysX adds are just smoke and more fluid and cloth dynamics. Sometimes a slightly more destructible environment.
    Adaptive V-Sync is cool, I saw a demonstration video of it.
    Inferior 3D is true, although your next point is stupid. AMD's Eyefinity is much better than nVidia Surround.
    I'm not a fanboy, Go to the bench and look at the results, do the math if you want. Barring BF3 and Portal 2, again since they are huge wins for nVidia, every other game on the list is extremely close. Of the 35 benchmarks that were run, it's the 8 from BF3 and Portal 2 that completely blow the average. The 660 Ti is more powerful, but the 7870 is a lot closer to the 660 Ti than the average would lead you to believe.
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  • CeriseCogburn - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - link

    Yeah whatever - buy the slow loser without the features, say they don't matter, get the one with crappy drivers, say that doesn't matter.. throw out a few games, say they don't matter, ignore the driver support that goes back to the nVidia 6 series, that doesn't matter, ignore the pathetic release drivers of amd, say that doesn't matter... put in the screwy amd extra download junk for taskbar control in eyefinity, pretend that doesn't matter - no bezel peek pretend that doesn't matter...

    DUDE - WHATEVER ... you're a FOOL to buy amd.
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  • Ambilogy - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - link

    "Yeah whatever"

    Essentially when someone said that theres 5% diference you 'just forget about it, nothings here to notice I'm busy trolling'. bullshit

    "- buy the slow loser"

    So for you slower loser is a little dif in framerates only in the allmyghty 19XX x 1XXX res? where everything is playable with other cards also? what when new titles come and then some stuff starts to go wrong with 660ti?. you can actually ignore the difference now and future titles could go better for AMD for opencl stuff. You should have said "a little slower now, if we are lucky, still a little slower on the future". bullshit

    "without the features, say they don't matter"

    I don't actually notice phyxs playing... and... if 2% of people play in very high res, how many do you think plays at your marvelous nvidia 3d? bullshit. Its like saying this is bad because only 2% uses it, and this is good but the percentage is even less. bullshit

    "get the one with crappy drivers"

    You read that a lot of people had amd driver issues, nice, like a lot of people also has nvidia driver issues... do you know the percentage of driver failures? the failures stand out only because normal working drivers don't drive attention. Does not mean that its plagged by bugs. bullshit.

    ", say that doesn't matter.. throw out a few games, say they don't matter, ignore the driver support that goes back to the nVidia 6 series, that doesn't matter, ignore the pathetic release drivers of amd, say that doesn't matter... "

    Hey nice! i know how to repeat stuff that I have already said without proving anything also! look: bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. The games you think matter can still be played, its future games that will tax this cards to new limits, then we will see, and if those include opencl, where will be your god? "well I could play battlefield 3 better some time ago, im sure these new games don't matter". or maybe a "yeah whatever" ? :)

    And im tyred now, I think this card is a fail, what does it do that cards already didn't do? what market do they cover that was not previously covered?

    OH NO BUT WE HAVE BETTER FPS FOR MAIN RESOLUTIONS
    Well, good luck with that in the future... I'm sure a man will buy a good 7950 with factory oc that will go just about as well, still playable and nice, and when the future comes then what? you can cry, cry hard.

    You cannot accept that your card is:

    1. Easy to equalize in performance, with little performance difference in most games or actually none if OC is considered.
    2. Focused on the marketing of some today games and completely forgot about future, memory bandwidth and so on.
    3. Overly marketised by nvidia.
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  • CeriseCogburn - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - link

    You cannot accept (your lies) that your card is:

    1. Easy to equalize in performance, with little performance difference in most games or actually none if OC is considered.

    I don't have a problem with that. 660Ti is hitting 1300+ on core and 7000+ on memory, and so you have a problem with that.
    The general idea you state, though I'M ALL FOR IT MAN!

    A FEW FPS SHOULD NOT BE THE THING YOU FOCUS ON, ESPECIALLY WHEN #1 ! ALL FOR IT ! 100% !

    Thus we get down to the added features- whoops ! nVidia is about 10 ahead on that now. That settles it.
    Hello ? Can YOU accept THAT ?
    If FOLLOWS 100% from your #1
    I'd like an answer about your acceptance level.

    2. Focused on the marketing of some today games and completely forgot about future, memory bandwidth and so on.

    Nope, it's already been proven it's a misnomer. Cores are gone , fps is too, before memory can be used. In the present, a bit faster now, cranked to the max, and FAILING on both sides with CURRENT GAMES - but some fantasy future is viable ? It's already been aborted.
    You need to ACCEPT THAT FACT.
    The other possibility would be driver enhancements, but both sides do that, and usually nvidia does it much better, and SERVICES PAST CARDS all the way back to 6 series AGP so amd loses that battle "years down the road" - dude...
    Accept or not ? Those are current facts.

    3. Overly marketised by nvidia. "

    Okay, so whatever that means...all I see is insane amd fanboysim - that's the PR call of the loser - MARKETING to get their failure hyped - hence we see the mind infected amd fanboys everywhere, in fact, you probably said that because you have the pr pumped nVidia hatred.
    Here's an example of "marketised""
    http://www.verdetrol.com/
    ROFL - your few and far between and dollars still hard at work.
    AMD adverts your butt in CCC - install and bang - the ads start flowing right onto your CCC screen...
    Is that " Overly marketised" ?

    I'm sorry you're going to have to do much better than that.
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