It’s hard not to notice that NVIDIA has a bit of a problem right now. In the months since the launch of their first Kepler product, the GeForce GTX 680, the company has introduced several other Kepler products into the desktop 600 series. With the exception of the GeForce GT 640 – their only budget part – all of those 600 series parts have been targeted at the high end, where they became popular, well received products that significantly tilted the market in NVIDIA’s favor.

The problem with this is almost paradoxical: these products are too popular. Between the GK104-heavy desktop GeForce lineup, the GK104 based Tesla K10, and the GK107-heavy mobile GeForce lineup, NVIDIA is selling every 28nm chip they can make. For a business prone to boom and bust cycles this is not a bad problem to have, but it means NVIDIA has been unable to expand their market presence as quickly as customers would like. For the desktop in particular this means NVIDIA has a very large, very noticeable hole in their product lineup between $100 and $400, which composes the mainstream and performance market segments. These market segments aren’t quite the high margin markets NVIDIA is currently servicing, but they are important to fill because they’re where product volumes increase and where most of their regular customers reside.

Long-term NVIDIA needs more production capacity and a wider selection of GPUs to fill this hole, but in the meantime they can at least begin to fill it with what they have to work with. This brings us to today’s product launch: the GeForce GTX 660 Ti. With nothing between GK104 and GK107 at the moment, NVIDIA is pushing out one more desktop product based on GK104 in order to bring Kepler to the performance market. Serving as an outlet for further binned GK104 GPUs, the GTX 660 Ti will be launching today as NVIDIA’s $300 performance part.

  GTX 680 GTX 670 GTX 660 Ti GTX 570
Stream Processors 1536 1344 1344 480
Texture Units 128 112 112 60
ROPs 32 32 24 40
Core Clock 1006MHz 915MHz 915MHz 732MHz
Shader Clock N/A N/A N/A 1464MHz
Boost Clock 1058MHz 980MHz 980MHz N/A
Memory Clock 6.008GHz GDDR5 6.008GHz GDDR5 6.008GHz GDDR5 3.8GHz GDDR5
Memory Bus Width 256-bit 256-bit 192-bit 320-bit
VRAM 2GB 2GB 2GB 1.25GB
FP64 1/24 FP32 1/24 FP32 1/24 FP32 1/8 FP32
TDP 195W 170W 150W 219W
Transistor Count 3.5B 3.5B 3.5B 3B
Manufacturing Process TSMC 28nm TSMC 28nm TSMC 28nm TSMC 40nm
Launch Price $499 $399 $299 $349

In the Fermi generation, NVIDIA filled the performance market with GF104 and GF114, the backbone of the very successful GTX 460 and GTX 560 series of video cards. Given Fermi’s 4 chip product stack – specifically the existence of the GF100/GF110 powerhouse – this is a move that made perfect sense. However it’s not a move that works quite as well for NVIDIA’s (so far) 2 chip product stack. In a move very reminiscent of the GeForce GTX 200 series, with GK104 already serving the GTX 690, GTX 680, and GTX 670, it is also being called upon to fill out the GTX 660 Ti.

All things considered the GTX 660 Ti is extremely similar to the GTX 670.  The base clock is the same, the boost clock is the same, the memory clock is the same, and even the number of shaders is the same. In fact there’s only a single significant difference between the GTX 670 and GTX 660 Ti: the GTX 660 Ti surrenders one of GK104’s four ROP/L2/Memory clusters, reducing it from a 32 ROP, 512KB L2, 4 memory channel part to a 24 ROP, 384KB L2, 3 memory channel part. With NVIDIA already binning chips for assignment to GTX 680 and GTX 670, this allows NVIDIA to further bin those GTX 670 parts without much additional effort. Though given the relatively small size of a ROP/L2/Memory cluster, it’s a bit surprising they have all that many chips that don’t meet GTX 670 standards.

In any case, as a result of these design choices the GTX 660 Ti is a fairly straightforward part. The 915MHz base clock and 980MHz boost clock of the chip along with the 7 SMXes means that GTX 660 Ti has the same theoretical compute, geometry, and texturing performance as GTX 670. The real difference between the two is on the render operation and memory bandwidth side of things, where the loss of the ROP/L2/Memory cluster means that GTX 660 Ti surrenders a full 25% of its render performance and its memory bandwidth. Interestingly NVIDIA has kept their memory clocks at 6GHz – in previous generations they would lower them to enable the use of cheaper memory – which is significant for performance since it keeps the memory bandwidth loss at just 25%.

How this loss of render operation performance and memory bandwidth will play out is going to depend heavily on the task at hand. We’ve already seen GK104 struggle with a lack of memory bandwidth in games like Crysis, so coming from GTX 670 this is only going to exacerbate that problem; a full 25% drop in performance is not out of the question here. However in games that are shader heavy (but not necessarily memory bandwidth heavy) like Portal 2, this means that GTX 660 Ti can hang very close to its more powerful sibling. There’s also the question of how NVIDIA’s nebulous asymmetrical memory bank design will impact performance, since 2GB of RAM doesn’t fit cleanly into 3 memory banks. All of these are issues where we’ll have to turn to benchmarking to better understand.

The impact on power consumption on the other hand is relatively straightforward. With clocks identical to the GTX 670, power consumption has only been reduced marginally due to the disabling of the ROP cluster. NVIDIA’s official TDP is 150W, with a power target of 134W. This compares to a TDP of 170W and a power target of 141W for the GTW 670. Given the mechanisms at work for NVIDIA’s GPU boost technology, it’s the power target that is a far better reflection of what to expect relative to the GTX 670. On paper this means that GK104 could probably be stuffed into a sub-150W card with some further functional units being disabled, but in practice desktop GK104 GPUs are probably a bit too power hungry for that.

Moving on, this launch will be what NVIDIA calls a “virtual” launch, which is to say that there aren’t any reference cards being shipped to partners to sell or to press to sample. Instead all of NVIDIA’s partners will be launching with semi-custom and fully-custom cards right away. This means we’re going to see a wide variety of cards right off the bat, however it also means that there will be less consistency between partners since no two cards are going to be quite alike. For that reason we’ll be looking at a slightly wider selection of partner designs today, with cards from EVGA, Zotac, and Gigabyte occupying our charts.

As for the launch supply, with NVIDIA having licked their GK104 supply problems a couple of months ago the supply of GTX 660 Ti cards looks like it should be plentiful. Some cards are going to be more popular than others and for that reason we expect we’ll see some cards sell out, but at the end of the day there shouldn’t be any problem grabbing a GTX 660 Ti on today’s launch day.

Pricing for GTX 660 Ti cards will start at $299, continuing NVIDIA’s tidy hierarchy of a GeForce 600 at every $100 price point. With the launch of the GTX 660 Ti NVIDIA will finally be able to start clearing out the GTX 570, a not-unwelcome thing as the GTX 660 Ti brings with it the Kepler family features (NVENC, TXAA, GPU boost, and D3D 11.1) along with nearly twice as much RAM and much lower power consumption. However this also means that despite the name, the GTX 660 Ti is a de facto replacement for the GTX 570 rather than the GTX 560 Ti. The sub-$250 market the GTX 560 Ti launched will continue to be served by Fermi parts for the time being. NVIDIA will no doubt see quite a bit of success even at $300, but it probably won’t be quite the hot item that the GTX 560 Ti was.

Meanwhile for a limited period of time NVIDIA will be sweeting the deal by throwing in a copy of Borderlands 2 with all GTX 600 series cards as a GTX 660 Ti launch promotion. Borderlands 2 is the sequel to Gearbox’s 2009 FPS/RPG hybrid, and is a TWIMTBP game that will have PhysX support along with planned support for TXAA. Like their prior promotions this is being done through retailers in North America, so you will need to check and ensure your retailer is throwing in Borderlands 2 vouchers with any GTX 600 card you purchase.

On the marketing front, as a performance part NVIDIA is looking to not only sell the GTX 660 Ti as an upgrade to 400/500 series owners, but to also entice existing GTX 200 series owners to upgrade. The GTX 660 Ti will be quite a bit faster than any GTX 200 series part (and cooler/quieter than all of them), with the question being of whether it’s going to be enough to spur those owners to upgrade. NVIDIA did see a lot of success last year with the GTX 560 driving the retirement of the 8800GT/9800GT, so we’ll see how that goes.

Anyhow, as with the launch of the GTX 670 cards virtually every partner is also launching one or more factory overclocked model, so the entire lineup of launch cards will be between $299 and $339 or so. This price range will put NVIDIA and its partners smack-dab between AMD’s existing 7000 series cards, which have already been shuffling in price some due to the GTX 670 and the impending launch of the GTX 660 Ti. Reference-clocked cards will sit right between the $279 Radeon HD 7870 and $329 Radeon HD 7950, which means that factory overclocked cards will be going head-to-head with the 7950.

On that note, with the launch of the GTX 660 Ti we can finally shed some further light on this week’s unexpected announcement of a new Radeon HD 7950 revision from AMD. As you’ll see in our benchmarks the existing 7950 maintains an uncomfortably slight lead over the GTX 660 Ti, which has spurred on AMD to bump up the 7950’s clockspeeds at the cost of power consumption in order to avoid having it end up as a sub-$300 product. The new 7950B is still scheduled to show up at the end of this week, with AMD’s already-battered product launch credibility hanging in the balance.

For this review we’re going to include both the 7950 and 7950B in our results. We’re not at all happy with how AMD is handling this – it’s the kind of slimy thing that has already gotten NVIDIA in trouble in the past – and while we don’t want to reward such actions it would be remiss of us not to include it since it is a new reference part. And if AMD’s credibility is worth anything it will be on the shelves tomorrow anyhow.

Summer 2012 GPU Pricing Comparison
AMD Price NVIDIA
Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition $469/$499 GeForce GTX 680
Radeon HD 7970 $419/$399 GeForce GTX 670
Radeon HD 7950 $329  
  $299 GeForce GTX 660 Ti
Radeon HD 7870 $279  
  $279 GeForce GTX 570
Radeon HD 7850 $239  

 

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  • CeriseCogburn - Sunday, August 19, 2012 - link

    There are 8 OC 660Ti's on newegg right now and only 3 released at stock.
    By chance alone the reviewers will be reviewing an OC'ed 660Ti, as was pointed out in the article you did not read, there is NO "standard design" pushed by nVidia so the partners have a free reign to come out of the gate with OVERCLOCKS a rocking.
    They have done so.
    So now, OC is the standard and overwhelming production with the 660Ti
    Get use to it.
    Unfortunately AMD has been a severely restrictive control freak nazi master dom smacking down and hurting their partners and has not allowed freedom. Then, in the usual control monster hold the gamers back fashion, they finally okayed their GE crap to their broken and hurting partners so they could charge a lot more.
    Evil, greedy, tyranny control, amd
  • Galidou - Sunday, August 19, 2012 - link

    4 out of 18 cards for AMD are reference coolers on newegg, nothing different on the other side... 11 out of 18 are overclocked and the other 3 non-reference coolers that are not overclocked are begging to be boosted.

    So if OC is the standard, why not try to push it farther, factory overclocking versus aftermarket overclocking isn't much different if the video cards take it so easily. :)

    ''severely restrictive control freak nazi master dom smacking down and hurting'' even had to use the word Nazi... comon, be less of a fanboy, it's just childish, that was ridiculous. I'm not diminishing any of both companies, if you really want AMD to die, we'll all cry for no more competition will be alive. We'll be back to the days of geforce 2 gts at 800$. Praise the war and be a little more respectful please.
  • TheJian - Monday, August 20, 2012 - link

    I don't want AMD to die, but I wouldn't mind seeing them bought as they're already well on their way to death without our help. I can't justify buying cpu's that completely suck now (granted our crappy court system took forever to pay AMD for Intel's crap), and won't do it just to help them out.

    If the courts had seen fit to pay them what they truly got screwed out of (I'm reminded of buying white box ASUS boards because Asus was afraid to even put their name on the box!) when they were on top for 3 years at least, we wouldn't be having this discussion. They should have been given 15-20 billion from the ill-gotten 60+ billion earned from that time forward (as I'm sure market share would have gone up with more money to produce more stuff, keeping the fabs etc). It's not my wallets job to help now. They need to claim bankruptcy and get bought. Management has blown their ability to compete due to the financial burdens now facing them.
    http://investing.money.msn.com/investments/financi...
    Take a look at the last 10 years. Overall a loss of 6 billion or so. The previous 10 looks no better. In fact I think if you go back to inception, they haven't made a buck overall. That's not good. Shares outstanding in those last 10 years...DOUBLED. DILUTED! 344mil to 698 mil. You can't keep selling shares to cover old debts forever. Eventually nobody will loan you money and you can't operate at that point.

    The stock has been cut in half in the last 5 months. Intel will continue to crush them as they can't invest 4Bil like Intel is doing now over the next few years to stay ahead. You just can't win without R&D.

    OC is the standard but you're talking about doing it on your own, vs sanctioned by the manufacturer and coming as default like that on almost every 660 TI out there (which is what he pointed out), then you go off about fans? He's talking about SPEEDS already OC'd on the cards by default regardless of the fan on it. The makers of the card (msi, xfx, gigabyte etc) are SELLING THEM OC'd. You don't have to do anything buy buy it and stick it in. It's already overclocked, and overclocking itself to the highest clock it can without damage (that's built into the 600 series, NV is a step ahead here). That changes on a per gpu basis too...Very nice.

    Attack the man's data (if you can) not the nazi crap. Comparing the actions of one company to the actions of a well known person or group's actions (while I'd have chosen something other than nazi's) when said company is acting like them is valid. It's not disrespectful. His point wasn't they are killing Jews by the millions (or anyone else). His point was devs of cards are a bit peeved. I.E. only 2 have announced 7950 BOOST editions that I'm aware of. First, because they are already selling 900mhz+ versions that AMD doesn't want to see in the market (which is why I said Ryan should have benched one of his cards at this speed, what fool would buy REF or boost @850 when you can get a free 50-100mhz overclocked by the vid card makers already?), and second they don't care about want AMD wants after being shackled and wanting free reign, like you see on 660 TI's...all kinds of speeds from the launch, with rarely a REF CLOCKed card in sight! Do you get it now? It's not about the fan, it's about the speed the maker is willing to BACK out of the box by default and still warranty it without complaining about what you did to void their warranty. Cerise isn't putting AMD out of business, AMD is.
  • Galidou - Wednesday, August 22, 2012 - link

    I was speaking to CeriseCogburn, he sees the company as the prime evil, just read ny of his post and you will see the hate, the knifes in his eyes. I'd be AMD and I'd have him arrested by the police, he's a madman and almsot goes up to throw menaces at the company, Using terms like greed, Nazis and so much more that I'll leave it up to you to read him from page 1 to 10 on this forum. I'd be an AMD employee reading this and I'd be like ''WTF, I'm just a human being working my best to feed my family, I'm not working for the devil...''

    ''severely restrictive control freak nazi master dom smacking ''
    ''Evil, greedy, tyranny control, amd''

    used just in the text above mine, how are those words any useful when defending an opinion, that's repression, lack of respect and total madness..... We're not speaking of an army that tries to take control of the world by domination coming up in your home and killing your children FFS.
  • CeriseCogburn - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - link

    Keep lying and crying crybaby.
  • Galidou - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - link

    I'd like to lie, but the posts have not been deleted and everyone can read them.
  • Galidou - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - link

    I don't know if you realised but they way you display your arguments, accuse so easily, attack and confront even the owners of the cards, that uses it right now and telling them everything crashes and is unplayable while they are using the cards with no problem, it discredit any or your credibility.

    You alone are making it worse, continue, I have no problem with that, the more you add things like your last post, the worse it is. I won't, I'm sorry for the way things are turning, I'm not going down to your level because I'm just a simple enthusiast.

    And yet posting only to say ''Keep lying and crying crybaby'' is just another proof that SOMETIMES, your really just answering so you can have the last words. That was the most useless post I've ever seen....
  • CeriseCogburn - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - link

    Oh you're such a fool - it's nine months AFTER amd released their crap clocked cards with the LOCK on their core speed.
    dude, get a freaking clue
    "oh dey released it juzz azz much wit oc,....i'm so stpooopid and such a liar.."
    How about manning up : " I was wrong in front of my daughter every time, and I'm mad about that. She's going to be just as foolish as me (I hope)".
    No nevermind, you KNOW IT.
  • ionis - Thursday, August 16, 2012 - link

    "NVIDIA did see a lot of success last year with the GTX 560 driving the retirement of the 8800GT/9800GT"

    Just curious, where do you get these stats? I still haven't found a reason to upgrade from the 8800GT. It plays everything I throw at it great, on high, at 1680x1050.
  • Sufo - Thursday, August 16, 2012 - link

    Interesting, as the 8800 GTX can barely crack 30fps in BF3 at that res on low. I guess they were talking about people who play mainly modern games.

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