Miscellaneous Benefits and Closing Thoughts

Overall, we've seen a dramatic boost in core counts across the entire mobile family. What we haven't seen is much in the way of bandwidth improvements. How this will affect actually gaming remains to be seen, but NVIDIA is claiming average performance increases of around 40% compared to the older 300M series. We heard 30% faster performance with 480M versus 285M when that part launched in May, and we didn't quite get that in all games, but newer titles did tend to benefit more than older games.

There are other benefits that NVIDIA is touting with the new GPUs, some new but mostly this is stuff we've seen before. Front and center is Optimus Technology, with six of the seven major OEMs now shipping (or preparing to ship) Optimus enabled laptops. If we want to name names, Acer, ASUS, Dell, Lenovo, Samsung, and Toshiba have or will shortly have Optimus laptops; we'll let you fill in the missing blank. While there will always be a market for discrete-only laptops, the switching technology makes a lot of sense for midrange GPUs. Obviously you need a CPU with an IGP, which means no one is likely to do a high-end Optimus notebook just yet, but once Sandy Bridge launches the situation could (re: should) change. While Fermi was a power hungry beast, this is less of a concern on midrange and lower laptops. They'll need to be able to cool the GPUs when gaming, but at least on battery power you won't have to worry about the GPU sucking down watts.

NVIDIA is also touting the benefits of their CUDA GPUs again, which is hardly surprising. With more users doing HD video clips (i.e. with the latest smart phones), a way to quickly convert those videos into online friendly formats is certainly useful. Badaboom isn't going to win an award for the highest quality encodes, but if you're uploading to YouTube (where your video gets re-encoded anyway) it gets the job done. Needless to say, all of these new 400M GPUs should tear through such encodes much faster than even desktop CPUs. Retouching photos in Photoshop CS5 also gets a boost to speed, there's tons of web content moving to GPU acceleration (HTML 5 Video, Flash 10.1, WebGL, and Scalable Vector Graphics for example), and Internet Explorer 9 along with Firefox 4 and Chrome 7 will all have GPU acceleration. Intel's HD Graphics and upcoming Sandy Bridge IGP may struggle in comparison with a few of those areas, but we'll withhold judgment until we get hardware for testing.

And of course, there's the games. The slowest of the slow 400M GPUs should still pack quite a wallop when it comes to gaming. With three times as many cores as G 310M and twice the memory bandwidth, we expect at least double the performance out of the GT 415M. Wondering what that means? Well, 310M is already about three times faster than Intel's HD Graphics and typically more than twice as fast as AMD's HD 4200 IGP. In fact, it's only slightly slower than HD 5470, so if we get twice that level of performance with the bottom-of-the-barrel discrete GPU from NVIDIA all we can say is… it's about time! Of course, our Sandy Bridge preview indicates that Intel may roughly match G 310M performance with their next IGP, so Optimus or no users will want more from discrete GPUs.

Wrapping things up, we have the other NVIDIA features like 3D Vision (GT 425M or higher required for gaming, because of the 60FPS target to render two separate views), and the new 3D notebooks will also support 3DTV Play. And if you've wondered about the utility of 3D Vision on notebooks—after all, who wants to carry around the extra USB shutter transmitter?—the new line of 3D Vision enabled laptops will be integrating the emitter into the display bezel.

One last win for NVIDIA comes from ASUS, who will be building an all-in-one 3D Vision PC with the GTX 460M driving the graphics. Like the new 400M notebooks, the 3D emitter is integrated in the display bezel, providing for less wire clutter. We don't have any other details on the ASUS ET2400XVT other than availability is scheduled for some time in the next month or two; hopefully we can get one to test drive and let you know how it works in the near future.

All told, the 400M lineup is looking pretty good right about now. AMD got there first with top to bottom DX11 mobile parts, but performance wasn't substantially higher in many cases than their previous 4000 series. DX11 was a big selling point though, and judging by the number of HD 5000 laptop design wins consumers like the feature. Now NVIDIA can strike back with not just DX11, but very likely higher performance and features like CUDA, PhysX, and Optimus. If you've been holding off buying a new laptop, this fall may finally have the new designs to tempt you into upgrading. Unfortunately, that makes the last few pre-400M laptops we have in hand for review just a little less compelling, but hopefully those who don't need DX11 will be able to find some great deals on the current "outdated" crop as a consolation prize. Have I mentioned how much I like competition?

Performance and Mainstream 400M
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  • sotoa - Friday, September 3, 2010 - link

    Great summary of mobile gpu's I needed this.
    I'm on the edge of my seat waiting for more details on the GF 104. Hopefully they push these out quick for the xmas holidays. Too late for the school season.
  • therealnickdanger - Friday, September 3, 2010 - link

    3-D glasses on a laptop seem pointless. Laptops are PERFECT candidates for autostereoscopic displays. Single viewer/user environment with easily adjustable display angles. Once this shutter glasses fad is over, let me know.
  • synaesthetic - Friday, September 3, 2010 - link

    Once this 3D fad in general ends, let me know.

    It's just giving laptop makers even *more* excuses to put 1366x768 resolution displays on expensive, high-powered laptops.

    It is very, very sad.

    All 15" laptops should have 1920x1080 LCD options. I don't care if I have to pay more for it. I just want the option, damn it.
  • manno - Thursday, September 23, 2010 - link

    "Once this 3D fad in general ends, let me know.

    It's just giving laptop makers even *more* excuses to put 1366x768 resolution displays on expensive, high-powered laptops.

    It is very, very sad.

    All 15" laptops should have 1920x1080 LCD options. I don't care if I have to pay more for it. I just want the option, damn it. "

    Elect this man president! I keep seeing deals on awesome specked laptops that all have 1366x768 displays... Why power that with a 5650m it's so annoying. I just want a:
    15" 1920x1080
    Core i5 520m or a dual core AMD @ 2.8 Ghz+ (Virtualization)
    Dx11 ATi 5650 or Nvidia GT 435M
    SWITCHABLE GRAPHICS

    Questions to laptop designers:
    Why do all the high-specked AMD laptops come with quads only?
    Why do you hate full HD screens?
    What use is a 16"+ screen @ 1366x768?
    Why don't you offer full HD screens?
    Why ship a laptop with a Core i5/i3 and discreet graphics and not make them switchable? The PM55 chipset is a frustration.
    Why don't you offer full HD screens?
    Why don't you offer full HD screens?
    Why don't you offer full HD screens?
    Why don't you offer full HD screens?
    Why don't you offer full HD screens?
    Why don't you offer full HD screens?
    Why don't you offer full HD screens?
    Why don't you offer full HD screens?

    WhY wHy whY WHY!?

    :)

    Peace!
    -manno
  • mczak - Friday, September 3, 2010 - link

    it's correct in the table but wrong in the text (along with the calculated percentage increase over GTX285M).
    Interestingly, as far as peak compute power is concerned, this actually makes GTX470M faster than GTX480M.
    Also, a GF104-based GTX480M wouldn't be possible, at least not with 352 cores - either 336 or 384 it must be (though possibly GTX470M is already close in performance anyway - see above).
    GTX460M is likely based on GF106, not GF104.
  • mczak - Friday, September 3, 2010 - link

    Oh and gt445m should be solely based on GF106. All parts below that should be GF108, if rumours are to be believed.
  • JarredWalton - Friday, September 3, 2010 - link

    I've updated the tables based on images NVIDIA sent showing the chips. However, these "images" appear to be the same three chips used multiple times. Given that GT 445M lists two wildly different specs -- 128-bit 25.6GB/s and 192-bit 60GB/s -- I'm guessing they just disable 64-bits of memory controller. Still stinks though.
  • Infomastr - Friday, September 3, 2010 - link

    Wonder how long it will take before these really start replacing 300M cards in current machines?
  • JarredWalton - Friday, September 3, 2010 - link

    Some models with 400M should appear in a couple weeks. Honestly, I expect an initial price premium, but maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised. It's very difficult to recommend anything with 300M now, though, unless it comes at a reduced price.
  • Zorblack1 - Friday, September 3, 2010 - link

    Since you guys raved about the Asus U30JC I went and bought one. Now I'm thinking I want to update my laptop. How about about something where you stick the GT 415M into the U30JC.

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