Ten Year Anniversary of Core 2 Duo and Conroe: Moore’s Law is Dead, Long Live Moore’s Law
by Ian Cutress on July 27, 2016 10:30 AM EST- Posted in
- CPUs
- Intel
- Core 2 Duo
- Conroe
- ITRS
- Nostalgia
- Time To Upgrade
Core: Performance vs. Today
Looking back at Anand’s original review, and at a time where CPU performance made a lot of difference for gaming frame rates at 1600x1200, the conclusion was quite startling.
Intel's Core 2 Extreme X6800 didn't lose a single benchmark in our comparison; not a single one. In many cases, the $183 Core 2 Duo E6300 actually outperformed Intel's previous champ: the Pentium Extreme Edition 965. In one day, Intel has made its entire Pentium D lineup of processors obsolete.
Imagine something like that happening today. (Actually, if you believe what we’ve been told, AMD’s upcoming AM4 platform with Zen and Bristol Ridge might make its current desktop platform obsolete, but that’s a slightly different discussion because of how integrated graphics has adjusted the landscape for CPU focused silicon somewhat.)
That’s Intel vs. Intel though, against AMD it was just as damning.
Compared to AMD's Athlon 64 X2 the situation gets a lot more competitive, but AMD still doesn't stand a chance. The Core 2 Extreme X6800, Core 2 Duo E6700 and E6600 were pretty consistently in the top 3 or 4 spots in each benchmark, with the E6600 offering better performance than AMD's FX-62 flagship in the vast majority of benchmarks.
However, Core 2 Duo has now been out for 10 years. I’ve pulled up some benchmark data from our database to see if we have any matches to compare against processors that cost $214 today. The Core i5-6600 fits our bill perfectly, and there are two benchmarks which match up. I’ve also dotted the graphs with a range of more recent AMD and Intel processors for progression.
Our 3D Particle Movement is more for idealized synthetic workloads, however FastStone is all about image conversion and favors high frequency, high single threaded performance.
Naturally, modern processors nearing 4.00 GHz have a large advantage over the 2.13 GHz version of Core 2 Duo, as well as multiple generations of improved microarchitecture designs and smaller lithography nodes for power efficiency. However, has any processor family had as much nostalgic longevity as the consumer launch of Core? One could argue that while Core put Intel on top of the heap again, Sandy Bridge was a more important shift in design and as a result, many users went from Conroe to Sandy Bridge and have stayed there.
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Ian Cutress - Tuesday, August 2, 2016 - link
To clarify, there was a typo in Johan's original review of the microarchitecture, specifically stating:'However, Core is clearly a descendant of the Pentium Pro,'
I've updated the article to reflect this, and was under the assumption that my source was correct at the point of doing my research.
wumpus - Tuesday, August 2, 2016 - link
Except that the Pentium Pro was the first chip with the P6 architecture. Pentium 2 was pretty much pentium pro with MMX, a higher clock rate, and slower [off chip but on slot] L2 cache. Pentium 3 was the same with more clock, more MMX (possibly SSE), and on chip (full speed) L2 cache.While I'd have to assume they would pull all the files from the Pentium 3 plans, I'd still call it "pentinium pro based" because that was where nearly all the architecture came from (with minor upgrades and bug fixes to the core in 2 and 3).
I'm still curious as to exactly how they pulled it off. My main theory is that they duplicated the block diagram of the P6, and then verified each block was correct (and exactly duplicated the P6 at a higher speed), then used the P6 verification to prove that if the blocks were all correct, they had a correct chip.
zodiacfml - Thursday, July 28, 2016 - link
Same here. I thought it was the design of the Pentium M (from Israel team) they got the Core from. It was that time that AMD is beating Intel's P4's in performance, efficiency, and price. After a few months, articles were posted with people able to overclock a Pentium M with the characteristics of the AMD CPU and, of course, beating Pentium 4's at much lower clock speeds. From there, the Intel Core was born out of the Pentium M's which is essentially the same only with higher TDP and clock speeds. Then came, the Core Duo, then the Core 2 Duo.I just can't remember where I read it though.
marty1980 - Wednesday, July 27, 2016 - link
I started college in electrical engineering; moved to software after an ee class using c++. I was very excited and confident in a DIY PC. I knew the Core 2 was on its way. I gathered parts from whatever computers I could scratch together; power supply, case, DVD drive, network card(s), HDDs ... Everything but Mobo, CPU, GPU and RAM - the brains.I bought an E6400 2.13GHz with a gigabyte mobo, 4GB 800MHz DDR2 and a Radeon x1650 Pro.
I just retired the CPU and Mobo in 2012/13 when I experimented with my current PC; an AMD APU + Ded GPU (dual graphics).
I'm excited to be looking at a future replacement for my PC. We're on the horizon of some interesting changes that I don't even understand (what was his article about? Lol).
just4U - Thursday, July 28, 2016 - link
I seem to recall from a casual glance at an article (on this site) back some 9 years ago.. That intel basically got lucky, or fluked as it were.. Something to do with what they were doing with the PentiumM which caused them to move away from the P3-4 stuff.. hum.. damned if I can remember though what it was about.FourEyedGeek - Tuesday, August 9, 2016 - link
Pentium 3 architecture was having difficulties increasing performance so they replaced it with Pentium 4s Netburst. They had their Israel department continue work on Pentium 3 that turned into the Pentium M.Hazly79 - Thursday, July 28, 2016 - link
surprised that my 2005-Pentium D 3ghz still can run Diablo 3 (2012) at minimum setting pair with Nvidia GT 710 ($35 card )Really great optimization from Blizzard ent. team...
AnnonymousCoward - Thursday, July 28, 2016 - link
Yeah, but too bad the game sucks. Jay doubled it.name99 - Thursday, July 28, 2016 - link
Two points:Firstly macro-op fusion is hardly an x86 exclusive these days. Many (all?) ARMv8 CPUs use it, as do the most recent POWER CPUs. Like the x86 case, it's used to fuse together pairs of instructions that commonly co-occur. Compare and branch is a common example, but other common examples in RISC are instruction pairs that are used to create large constants in a register, or to generate large constant offsets for loads/stores.
Secondly you suggest that the ROB is an expensive data structure. This is misleading. The ROB itself is primarily a FIFO and can easily be grown. The problem is that storing more items in the ROB requires more physical registers and more load/store queue entries, and it is THESE structures that are difficult and expensive to grow. This suggests that using alternative structures for the load/store queues, and alternative mechanisms for scavenging physical registers could allow for much larger ROBs, and in fact Intel has published a lot of work on this (but has so far done apparently nothing with this research, even though the first such publications were late 90s --- I would not be surprised if Apple provides us with a CPU implementing these ideas before Intel does).
Ian Cutress - Tuesday, August 2, 2016 - link
It wasn't written about to the exclusion of all other microarchitectures, it was written about focusing on x86 back in 2006. At the time, the ROB was described as expensive by Intel, through I appreciate that might have changed.