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P55 vs FSX, OCZ DDR3-2400, and TankGuys
P55 vs FSX, OCZ DDR3-2400, and TankGuys
Date: September 22nd, 2009
Author: Gary Key
 
 



We had a significant amount of requests for Flight Simulator X results in our Core i5/i7 and P55 coverage. I was able to run some quick comparison results between the Bloomfield and Lynnfield platforms last night to answer most of the email and comments requests. However, I am still running the Phenom II and Core 2 Quad benches. I do not know if we will be able to have those results in our P55 roundups that start in a couple of days. If not, I will follow up with these particular performance updates in another blog.

Test Setup-



We are utilizing our standard P55/X58 setups for this test. The 920/860/870 platforms are using 7-7-7-20 1T DDR3-1600 memory configurations. The 750 platform is running at DDR3-1333 with 6-6-6-18 1T timings since the 12x multiplier is not available on the i5/750. The X58 platform is equipped with 6GB of memory and the P55 with 8GB. Turbo mode and Hyper-Threading is enabled as designed and shipped from Intel. All other BIOS settings are at stock ratios.



We enabled DX10, AA/AF, set the Aircraft, Scenery, Weather, and Traffic sliders to Ultra High, and then measured a pre-recorded six minute flight around Honolulu with FRAPS at 1920x1080. Our variability with this benchmark averages around 0.5%. The benchmark is run five times with the median score reported for our results. FSX responds well to both increases in GPU and CPU improvements, but especially differences in CPU clock speeds.


Gaming Performance - Flight Simulator X

When overclocked to 4.2GHz, the 920 and 860 are basically even in this title. The big differences though are the improvements in frame rates, especially the minimum frame rate with a 36% increase compared to the stock 860/870 results. The average frame rates increase 14~21% over the 860/870 stock results.

Due to very aggressive turbo modes, the 860/870 offer the best performance at stock clock settings. No real surprise there, but the improved turbo mode on the i5/750 does allow it to stay even with the i7/920 in this title. All of the processors offered a very enjoyable gaming experience as minimum frame rates were excellent, especially when the processors were overclocked. For those originally wondering, the i5/750-P55 combination will not have any problems running this title at 1920x1080 resolutions with Ultra High quality settings.


Gallery: P55 / FSX

OCZ Technology

OCZ recently sent us their upcoming DDR3-2400 C9 4GB Blade series kit. The official specifications call for 9-10-9-24 1T timings at 1.65V VDimm on the P55 platform. We tossed it in our Gigabyte GA-P55M-UD2 motherboard with an i7-870 overclocked to 4.2GHz (21x200), set the memory multiplier to 12x for 2400MHz on the memory, and manually set timings to 9-10-9-24 1T, VDimm to 1.65V, VCore to 1.375V, and VTT to 1.370V.





The OCZ DDR3-2400 Blade kit worked perfectly at its rated specifications on one of the least expensive P55 boards you can purchase. We will have further results shortly.


Gallery: OCZ DDR3-2400

TankGuys

I normally do not do this, but we were needing a couple i7/860 processors plus a few additional Intel G2 80GB SSD drives quickly for the 860 review and for the expanded motherboard test suite. Normally, we would go to the larger e-tailers like Newegg or others for these items. Well, I was not satisfied with the pricing or availability on either item, so I hit up Ben at TankGuys to see what he could do for us.

Let's just that TankGuys came through with flying colors. Not only did they ship the items before Newegg had them in stock, but their prices were extremely competitive. We spent $269.99 for our i7/860 compared to $299.99 ($289.99 today) at Newegg. Also,the Intel X25-M G2 80GB SSD was $349.99 at Newegg ($309.99 today) compared to $269.99 at TankGuys when we placed our orders. So, it does pay to shop around and sometimes the smaller guys might just be able to offer better prices than the large resellers.


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i'll be the first to ask by yacoub, 140 days ago
Why another couple days before the P55 board roundups? Been a couple weeks already. =)

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RE: i'll be the first to ask by Gary Key, 139 days ago
I know, sorry about that, got sidetracked with running every benchmark under the sun on the CPU side for the last two weeks among other things. We will start this weekend and continue every few days until all 15 boards are reviewed.

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RE: i'll be the first to ask by yacoub, 139 days ago
No worries, just curious. Looking forward to learning whether or not a fix has been found for the NVidia/P55 performance inconsistencies. :)

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RE: i'll be the first to ask by Gary Key, 138 days ago
Actually, there is not a fix with the NV cards. Based on driver design and certain GPU limited situations, they just perform better on the Phenom II. Turns out the results are just fine and can be expected in certain games.

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RE: i'll be the first to ask by yacoub, 138 days ago
Oh that's interesting. So i guess we can expect to see all the P55 reviews done with an ATi GPU so it doesn't look bad compared to the Phenom II setup? :)

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RE: i'll be the first to ask by jonup, 138 days ago
You the man Gary! Next time you should just try to get on MB review out just to give us the taste while running all the benches. We are just inpatient spoiled children of the 21st century.

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TankGuys by alexq, 140 days ago
Nice to see the smaller resellers are still able to stay competitive, even in this economy. Of course dealing in smaller quantities gives them an edge in a market where the prices fluctuate daily.

PS. the site seems to be down, after a "mere" mention on anandtech!

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RE: TankGuys by Kougar, 140 days ago
The only fluctuation in prices you see is from the large e-tailers price gouging. Intel sells to everyone at the same price per 1000 unit quantities and that has never changed.

In fact I can guarantee you Newegg paid less for their Intel SSD's than TankGuys did because Newegg buys in even larger bulk orders.

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RE: TankGuys by strikeback03, 139 days ago
Plus Newegg did have the G1 drives down to around $230 while the G2s were OOS after the bug was discovered. Once the G2s were available again, both went up to ~$350, and are now back to around $300. Capitalism at work.

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RE: TankGuys by fjeske, 139 days ago
Bought my G2 at CDW for $248 when they had stock last week, out again.


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No 920 or 860 data? by TA152H, 140 days ago
Why didn't you publish the uncore, etc... data for the 860 and 920? Why just the 870?

Really strange choice.

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RE: No 920 or 860 data? by ilnot1, 139 days ago
TA152H if you would just read the article...

He didn't publish the the uncore's for any of the FSX systems because he stated that all settings were left at their stock/factory/out-of-the-box settings. Except of course for the 860 and 920 that were overclocked to 4.2 GHz.

The only reason he published the uncore of the 870 (later in the article) is because he was making a special point in showing off the new RAM kit.

P.S. To Whom It May Concern: Please stop whining about the where the P55 reviews are. They'll be out when they're done. Isn't that why you read the articles on this site because they are well thought out and exhaustively thorough. Well it takes time to get that quality and do things right. The good folks at AnandTech are obviously not slaking off, so just relax. //powering down from rant//



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RE: No 920 or 860 data? by Rike, 136 days ago
I have to agree. I really want to see the P55 reviews, but what good are those reviews really going to be unless they are done thoroughly and correctly? They'll post it when its done and there's no reason for them to be slacking.

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RE: No 920 or 860 data? by Gary Key, 139 days ago
The uncore rates are at stock ratios for each processor as set by Intel.

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Benchmarking FSX by Nickel020, 140 days ago
Does FSX still do all the physics calculations when you benchmark with a pre-recorded flight or is it more like a timedemo?

Thanks for the update btw, keep them coming! :)

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RE: Benchmarking FSX by Nickel020, 140 days ago
Also, the RAM on the i5 750 was running at DDR3 1333, or is there a way to enable the 12x memory multiplier on the i5 750?

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RE: Benchmarking FSX by Gary Key, 139 days ago
In the early BIOS releases, some of the boards had the 12x multi for the 750. It was never stable and was pulled before the boards hit retail. That said, the BIOS guys are still working on it. ;)

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RE: Benchmarking FSX by Gary Key, 139 days ago
Yes, all physic calculations are still performed by the benchmark. It took some time to get there, but it works. :)

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ouch!... Intel G2 SSD pricing by Navier, 140 days ago
Any insight on why the Intel G2 SSDs are markup'd up so much? Since the firmware bug has been fixed is something else holding up shipments?

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RE: ouch!... Intel G2 SSD pricing by TankGuys, 138 days ago
Low supply. An OEM or two for the parts can't quite keep up with demand, so there are far fewer drives than people wanting to buy them. Good old economics - supply vs demand ;)

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tankguys by Nnyan, 140 days ago
Haven't ordered from them in awhile, going to have to price the wife's new PC there.

http://www.tankguys.com/report/?id=59768666&s=default

looks like the extra traffic was too much?

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Tank Guys by Litzner, 139 days ago
"SQLSTATE[08004] [1040] Too many connections"

Doesn't look like Tank Guy's server can handle the plug from AnandTech.

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RE: Tank Guys by Gary Key, 139 days ago
I think I killed Ben on that one. :)

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RE: Tank Guys by lyeoh, 138 days ago
Seems to be back up.

Maybe they transferred a few SSDs and RAM from stock into their DB servers ;).

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how about 750 at 4.2 ghz? by BlackBabyJesus, 139 days ago
Why didn't you OC the i5 750?

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RE: how about 750 at 4.2 ghz? by coconutboy, 139 days ago
It's a fair bit of extra work for the Atech staff having to complete a buttload more runs through multiple benchmarks for sure, but I agree. Even if the i5 750 can't be run at an equivalent clockrate, I'd really like to see the inclusion of more oc'd i5 results in Anandtech articles so please do include stuff like i5 750 @3.8GHz vs i7 920/860 @ 4.2GHz. We've seen a couple hardware sites (including Anandtech IIRC) show that there are some issues with Core i7s sometimes performing SLOWER than i5 due to HT not always being as effective as processes running on, two physical cores.

Plus, given that we can buy i5 for as low as $160 it makes for a killer budget gaming system where we spend the savings on better vid cards. Keep the customers in mind. I'm about to help my neighbor build an i5 750 system packing an ATI 4850 for his kids. Bang for the buck baby.

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RE: how about 750 at 4.2 ghz? by BlackBabyJesus, 139 days ago
Yeah. And if they can get the 860 to run stable at a massive 4.2 it should be possible with the 750 too. Even getting a cooled 920-D0 to 4.2 is no guarantee. Or they can just run them all at 3.8 or 4.0 and spend less time tinkering with voltages and whatnot.

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RE: how about 750 at 4.2 ghz? by Gary Key, 139 days ago
I will show the 750 overclocked in my next FSX update. I was hoping to get a couple of decent CPUs though. I have five retail samples, not one of them will go above 4.0~4.1 stable on air cooling. I will drop back to 3.8 and show like clock speeds against the Q9650 and 965BE.

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RE: how about 750 at 4.2 ghz? by Gary Key, 138 days ago
I updated the chart to show the i5/750 at 4GHz. We need better cooling for 4.2, the chip will do it, but with the current air cooler, we kept bouncing off the thermal limits and the chip would scale back. In fact, we hit the 90C limit a couple of times in the 4GHz test run which probably explains the slightly lower that expected minimum frame rates.

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overclocking comparison please by Mastakilla, 139 days ago
nice to finally see a Bloomfield and a Lynfield in a serious overclock

hope to see a serious comparison between those 2 soon :)

if not, can you please tell what type of cooling / voltages you were using and if Bloomfield was harder than Lynfield?

thanks!

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Make room for next DDR3 Gen, Production Now @ 100% by thomasxstewart, 138 days ago
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RE: Make room for next DDR3 Gen, Production Now @ 100% by PhilTaylor, 138 days ago
You upgraded FSX to SP1 to get multi-core support?

And used SP2 to get additional optimizations? And D3D10, or it was D3D9?

FPS should be tested for a review like this with frame rate unlimited and not locked. a mistake I often see.

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RE: Make room for next DDR3 Gen, Production Now @ 100% by Gary Key, 138 days ago
Actually I tested with the Acceleration add-in pack which contains both service packs along with DX10 being enabled as stated. The gallery contains screenshots of the options selected in FSX, frame rate was set to unlimited.

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RE: Make room for next DDR3 Gen, Production Now @ 100% by mhzguy, 138 days ago
Great blog! the big whole that needs to be filled is the PH II results, hope you can follow up really soon before we make purchase.

Again really nice work and thanks for taking the time to do this.

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RE: Make room for next DDR3 Gen, Production Now @ 100% by zentrope, 126 days ago
the testing is being done for dual channel..just try it with DDR3 triple channel and that too OC...
i just want to see to what extent it can go..
i have used OCZ DDR2 800mhz dual channel and its performance is awesome..
i have oc it to 1300mhz without any effort..
my friend is using corsair and gskill and we keep on testing the limit of our memory sticks..:-)

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I can vouch for TankGuys by nipplefish, 137 days ago
Bought several of the parts for my current system, which I built right when Core 2 Duo was released... TankGuys had the best prices of anyone and it was about 2 days between order placement and receipt. Responded fast to an email I sent also. I'll definitely look at them again when it's time for a new rig.

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Awesome info here by swing848, 133 days ago
You now have results for an Nvidia card, can you run the same tests with an ATI HD5870 video card?

ATI has always been behind Nvidia in FSX benchmarks, the HD5870 would be an interesting discussion because it has become wildly popular as it is, on average, on par with the HD4870 X2 and Nvidia's 295 in a great many games other than FSX.

Thank you.

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FSX Multi-Monitor Results? by bigdog1984, 132 days ago
Hey Gary,

Any idea about how the 5870 performs in FSX with 2 or 3 monitors? I know this might not be common but with Eyefinity this type of game is perfect for a 3 monitor setup.

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RE: FSX Multi-Monitor Results? by iRiKi, 113 days ago
*DELETE THE SPAMMOR* :EE

I agree with bigdog, the ATI5870's Eyefinity is just _PERFECT_ for FSX, but we all know the perf hit over NV cards.. a roundup over the two cards (and more FSX+CPU benchs!!) would be absolutely amazing for us, lotsammoneyinvolved-simmers.

Thank you very much for this benchmark, even not using a payware aircraft this is _ONLY_ benchmark in the entire interweb's comparing i7 920, 860 and 750... thank you SO much! :D

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FSX Blurries - Gone with i7 and i5? by SIDEKICKUBT, 126 days ago
Gary,

with FSX being CPU hungry, did you notice any issues with textures not loading fast enough causing blurry textures (low mip-maps)? I'm thinking 737 nor Cessna test flights here.

Tim

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