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Speech Recognition for Less
Speech Recognition for Less
Date: September 17th, 2009
Author: Jarred Walton
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If you're a regular reader of AnandTech -- and my articles in particular -- you may already know that I use speech recognition for writing the vast majority of my content. About five years ago, after a wonderful spree of typing like a madman on an article, my hands and fingers started going numb. Yes, I have the dreaded carpal tunnel syndrome. I tried to type less, and that helped a little, but what I really needed to do was cut out typing as much as possible. After reading about some options, I decided to try Dragon NaturallySpeaking. That was version 8, and I've never looked back.

A couple years later, version 9 was released and I began using that. I didn't notice any major improvements in accuracy or speed, but it did seem like it was a little better. I believe version 9 also added support for Office 2007's ribbon interface, but since I still have no problem using a mouse I haven't bothered with using Dragon to send commands much. Version 10 came out last year and I've been meaning to write a review for a while now. That keeps getting pushed aside, so rather than a full review I'm going to do a quick update on Dragon NaturallySpeaking 10.

Unlike version 9, version 10 definitely has some noticeable improvements. For one, it simply seems to be faster at recognizing speech -- Nuance said that the latest version is optimized for dual-core processors, which would certainly account for the difference. Accuracy is still a very nebulous concept, and I'm not sure if Dragon has gotten better with the latest version or if I just adapted to using Dragon over the years. Whatever the case, I'm quite happy with the level of accuracy NaturallySpeaking provides, and version 10 is the best so far.

The other major change with version 10 -- not initially, but as of March this year -- is that we finally have a version of NaturallySpeaking that works with 64-bit Windows. It was a long time in coming, and I'm not sure what the holdup was, but with the latest patch you can now use Dragon NaturallySpeaking 10 with Windows Vista 64-bit. Hooray for progress! Windows XP support is limited to 32-bit versions, however, and I haven't taken the time to test naturally speaking with Windows 7.

Some of you are probably wondering how Dragon NaturallySpeaking compares to the built-in speech recognition in Windows Vista. I discussed that in my speech recognition article several years ago, and frankly I still haven't been able to invest a significant amount of time in using Microsoft's "free" speech recognition. It looks like Microsoft may actually do a little better for sending certain commands to your computer, but in general the speech recognition interface they provide just isn't nearly as seamless as NaturallySpeaking. I haven't looked at Windows 7 to see if anything has changed, but I somehow doubt that I would actually make a switch at this point. It's a lot like using Windows and Microsoft Office; you can get open-source alternatives for free and run Linux and OpenOffice, but ultimately you find yourself wanting to go back to Microsoft.

So why this blog post now? I just received an email from TigerDirect with a link to Dragon NaturallySpeaking 10 Standard, which allows you to purchase the application for $50 instead of $100. 50% off a great application is certainly a worthwhile investment, and for those that are willing to jump through the hoops you get a $20 mail-in rebate. That brings the total cost down to $30. $30 for what is arguably the most important tool I use? Sign me up! (Incidentally, Nuance sent me the Professional version of Dragon NaturallySpeaking 10, but I pretty much limit myself to use of the Preferred feature set. You might want to check out the datasheet for specific details on what features may not work with the Standard version. Note that Microsoft Office is listed as a feature of Professional; you can still use Standard to dictate in Word, but you can't issue specific Word/Excel commands.) Note: The link above is a direct add to your cart, and TigerDirect says it's a "limited time offer", so I don't know how long the link will remain active. If you have an alternative deal for Dragon NaturallySpeaking, please post it in the comments!

The only thing you need beyond the software is a microphone, and my experience is that you don't even need a great microphone. However, there's more to it than just getting a microphone that works; if you plan to use speech recognition on a regular basis like me, you'll also want a microphone that's comfortable… and I prefer something that doesn't go over the top of my head, since I don't want to mess up my hairdo. ;-) I got the Sennheiser ME3 with Andrea USB Pod from emicrophones.com back in 2006, and it was definitely a nice upgrade to the Logitech headset I was using. You can find less expensive microphones with a similar style, but I would suggest getting some sort of USB sound pod and bypassing your soundcard; I don't know if it works that much better, but it's great if you ever have to use your microphone on a different PC. Since I routinely switch between my desktop and a laptop, the USB adapter is a godsend; integrated audio on some laptops can be particularly bad, and don't even think about using the built-in microphone on your LCD!

If you've never tried Dragon NaturallySpeaking, you really ought to. With a modern PC, it's really quite awesome being able to dictate to a computer and have everything come out accurately… well, at least with around 98% accuracy, give or take. My only real problem with NaturallySpeaking is that there are a few quirks I still encounter. It's nothing drastic, but sometimes the program crashes and any updates to my dictionary that I've created are lost and need to be reentered. I use a lot of custom phrases for computer products; for example the Gateway NV52 required that I put "envy fifty two = NV52" into my phrase list. I also have just about every AMD and Intel processor number in my list, so when I add 10 processors and forget to save my user files and Dragon crashes a few hours later, it can be annoying. My other gripe is with the "we need more hard drive space" dialog routinely appearing. Regardless of what I do, that dialogue seems to stick around and pop up every few weeks.

Perhaps the biggest challenge is that Dragon NaturallySpeaking is so accurate that you start to get lazy; homonyms can still throw the program for a loop, so if you don't read what it transcribes carefully, you're likely to come up with some grammatical/spelling errors from time to time. That's actually high praise for the program: it's so accurate that you come to expect everything to work out properly and stop paying attention. Just try not to do that when you're writing an important female, or the results might be a little embarrassing! (Ironically, Dragon just screwed up that sentence. I truly did say "email" and Dragon thought I said "female" -- see what I mean about embarrassing?)

Final tally: Over 1200 words and I only had to correct around ten actual mistakes (i.e. not counting mumbled words). Yes, Dragon NaturallySpeaking 10 truly can achieve 99% accuracy.


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Your link... by LoneWolf15, 145 days ago
to TigerDirect doesn't show Dragon, just a page of software deals.

When I searched for the product, DNS 10 Standard was $99, not $50. I'd be interested if you find the link again, but it looks like the deal you posted is gone.

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RE: Your link... by LoneWolf15, 145 days ago
My bad, sorry --I didn't realize you posted the link to direct-add the item to ones shopping cart. Bit of confusion there, but I've sorted it out. :)

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RE: Your link... by JarredWalton, 145 days ago
Yeah, sorry... that's the link in my email, so honestly I don't know how long it will be valid. I'd honestly still recommend trying Dragon if you're a slow typist or have any sort of RSI/CTS, even at $200.

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Your CTS by lyeoh, 145 days ago
I'm not a doctor, but if your CTS is due to squished nerves, you could try taking methylcobalamin/mecobalamin.

A doc prescribed it for me and it worked. Could check with a doc or neurologist first.

Basically the theory is the problem is because the nerves are being squashed, and the methylcobalamin helps the nerves stay alive and "OK" till the body hopefully adapts/heals.

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RE: Your CTS by coconutboy, 144 days ago
No offense intended towards you because you obviously have good intentions, but The Missus demands that I speak up. I'm stitting right next to my g/f who is a pharmacist. She saw your post and her head rolled. She didn't say it, but since I hear it all the time I know what she was thinking. It's great the drugs work for you, but if at all possible, it's a much better alternative to seek solutions that do not require drugs. Americans in particular are hooked on pill popping. Check out the movie Sicko for a brief look.

I should also mention my g/f is back in school to become a nurse (while continuing to work in a pharmacy) because she's so disgusted with her segment of the health care system.

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RE: Your CTS by mmike70, 143 days ago
The two compounds listed are basically Vitamin B12, hardly a drug and are used quite successfully in treating peripheral neuropathy.

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RE: Your CTS by martalli, 143 days ago
I am a doctor, and I would note that Vitamin B12 is useful in treating neuropathy due to B12 deficiency. However, if you are not deficient in B12, it will not help.

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RE: Your CTS by lyeoh, 143 days ago
He could try it for himself - consult a doctor/neurologist about it etc. Or even buy it "over the counter" - it is extremely unlikely to kill or harm him.

In some studies methylcobalamin has been shown to help nerve regeneration in rats. And B12 for rabbits.

See: http://www.google.com/search?q=site:www...gov+methylcobalamin+nerve+regeneration

And even if the recovery is actually due to a "placebo effect", I don't think he'll care that much as long as he's much better and can use a keyboard and mouse without pain.

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RE: Your CTS by lyeoh, 143 days ago
Yes drugs are often not a solution, or the best solution. If you or your girlfriend have better and more effective suggestions, I'm sure he (and I) will be happy to hear of them.

But voice recognition software is most certainly not a solution for CTS - it's a workaround. If he's not careful he might end up with vocal chord problems too ;).

My course of methycobalamin was certainly cheaper than the voice recognition software mentioned in the article. And more importantly I can use a keyboard and mouse now with no pain.

It may not work for him, but at least he might be aware of one more option (and one that at least has some scientific basis/research behind it - even if it was mostly done in Japan, and more recently China).

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RE: Your CTS by JarredWalton, 143 days ago
FWIW, I appreciate the suggestions. I typically eat reasonably healthy (almost no fast food, lots of water, get regular exercise, and take a multivitamin just for good measure). I do type more than I think is "safe" even now, just because sometimes I'm too lazy to put on my headset for a short note, or because there's some background noise - right now the dishwasher is running, for example, so I'm typing this. Shame on me....

Anyway, I don't really have pain per se; rather, I have numbness and tingling that crops up, and that's usually a sign of bigger problems to come if you don't take action. Rather than going along typing until I am actually incapacitated by my inability to type, using speech recognition for my articles seems like a nice solution. I also have a "natural" ergonomic keyboard, which seems to have helped a bit relative to the old keyboard I had. Mousing as I said isn't a problem for me (yet?) so I can do that fine.

As for surgery... well, that wouldn't be a good course of action unless I had actually changed the habits that lead to CTS in the first place, right? So that's an absolute last ditch effort (and prone to complications from what I understand).

For $30-$50 -- or free if you're like me and Nuance sends you a copy for evaluation! :) -- Dragon is a nice solution that I appreciate. I actually bought version 8, though, so it wasn't always free. I also have my dad hooked up with DNS as well, since he has myasthenia gravis and can no longer type properly, and my brother who types at around 25 WPM got it from his wife a few years back based on my recommendation. He now writes longer email messages than before! LOL

Will it work for everyone? I'm sure it won't, especially anyone with a speech impediment, but for those where it does help give it a try! Or if you're curious, try out the Vista/Windows 7 speech recognition... but don't say I didn't warn you that the interface is at times clunky!

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RE: Your link... by Skott, 144 days ago
Amazon is showing the Standard version for sale for $44.99

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RE: Your link... by khernitzz, 141 days ago
I believe you can also avail this offer if you purchase them directly from the company:

http://support.nuance.com/customerservice/phone/

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carputer by strikeback03, 145 days ago
I wonder how well this would work in a carputer setup? Centrafuse 3 is supposed to be opened up for alternatives to Microsoft for voice command, which I have found to not work most of the time in an admittedly noisy environment.

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RE: carputer by JarredWalton, 145 days ago
There are supposed to be noise-canceling microphones that can work in that sort of environment, but I haven't tested them out. I do know that Dragon does very poorly for me if there's a lot of background noise -- i.e. someone mowing the lawn with my window open, or vacuuming in the next room, or making dinner....

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RE: carputer by strikeback03, 145 days ago
I believe my microphone (http://www.andreaelectronics.com/Buy/ProductDesc/USB-SA_array_bundle.htm) is supposed to be noise-cancelling. The page claims it rates 6 dragons from Dragon, so maybe it would help.

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RE: carputer by The0ne, 145 days ago
I believe DNS was rated, still, as the #1 recommended choice or voice recognition from PCmag and PCworld. As someone already stated here the accuracy is way up there at this point in time. Therefore it is a great deal if you are looking into using your voice to output text/commands.

I typically review the reviews of voice recognition at least 2-3 times a year to see if there are any drastic improvements. :) I say your money is in good hands with DNS.

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DNS 10 Standard at warehouse clubs by atlr, 145 days ago
Check for DNS 10 Standard at warehouse clubs. It's $50 everyday at the one I go to.

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Just wondering on the State of it. by iwodo, 145 days ago
Since there are no visible improvement in accuracy, ( properly because you have trained the program for long enough ), What are there left for improvement apart from speed?

And what about other languages, is speech recognition still limited to English?

And would bluetooth handfree work?

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RE: Just wondering on the State of it. by JarredWalton, 145 days ago
I know some use Bluetooth (or wireless) microphones. As far as other languages, I believe there may be options other than English but I can't really test those. I could do a poor job at trying out a Danish version, but that's probably far down on the list of languages they intend to support in the future. LOL. Speed can still be improved though - there's a 1-2 second lag between finishing a sentence and having it appear in Word, for example. They could also work on properly understanding grammar, as right now DNS only looks at context (i.e. the surrounding words), which is why homonyms can still create problems.

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SR Windows 7 by Nihility, 145 days ago
Speech recognition in Windows 7 is even better than Vista. Though I haven't been able to get it to work well enough that I could stop typing.

Losing the ability to type would be almost career ending, so it's nice to know that there is an alternative. The only thing that scares me more is losing my eyesight X_X

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RE: SR Windows 7 by ssj3gohan, 145 days ago
There is actually still a mistake in there - look for a 'try' that should've been 'tried'.

By the way - I'm a dutch reader and have tried NaturallySpeaking before, back when I was in high school (well, at least our equivalent). That was the famed version 8. I was amazed that it could get most of my speech correct, down to most of the window commands, as back then I had a pretty heavy accent. I'm not sure about the state of speech-to-text right now, but back then it was pretty much the only software that would do it right.

I should try it again, as I am about to engage in writing my thesis...

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So True by PeterO, 145 days ago
"Perhaps the biggest challenge is that Dragon NaturallySpeaking is so accurate that you start to get lazy; homonyms can still throw the program for a loop, so if you don't read what it transcribes carefully, you're likely to come up with some grammatical/spelling errors from time to time."


Is this one of those "email/female" challenges you mention?

"If you've never try Dragon NaturallySpeaking,..."

;)

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RE: So True by JarredWalton, 145 days ago
Yup!

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but, the Shipping will kill you! by 2good2btrue, 144 days ago
I have used Dragon Naturally Speaking in the past and thought this would be a great way to get new version. I clicked and sure enough the shopping cart showed a $50 savings! Yah!

This, I thought, will be a perfect complement to my Win 7 Ultimate x64 system.

The problem; living in Canada, shipping will cost $70 in addition to GST, Duty and of course the exchange rate. Oh well.

Thanks for a great post Jarred (I'll be on the look out for DNS 10 locally).

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RE: but, the Shipping will kill you! by DeniseMToronto, 144 days ago

Just use the Canadian site. If you change www.tigerdirect.com to www.tigerdirect.ca that link works for Canada as well, though the price becomes $55. Shipping came out at $12 for me; might be higher for you. And I believe TigerDirect takes care of the duties, customs brokerage, etc.

Denise Moore

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Formatting..? by jamori, 144 days ago
Reading your article has left me somewhat curious: how is text formatting (italics/bold/underline, new paragraph/sentence, etc) handled? I poked around their site for a minute or two and didn't immediately see the answer.

I have some nerve-related arm/wrist issues as well, but over half of my computer using is coding (my livelihood). I don't suppose there's any point in even attempting a voice recognition for that situation in any but the most severe case? "for open paren eye equals zero semicolon eye less than ten semicolon eye plus plus close paren open brace...." doesn't seem like a very productive way to spend my day.

I've just adapted to switching hands with my mouse every 10 minutes or so/using ergo mice when I can tolerate them, and using an ergonomic keyboard exclusively. It's not perfect, but it's the best I've come up with.

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RE: Formatting..? by heulenwolf, 144 days ago
I was in a similar situation a few years ago. After my doctor gave me the "take 2 of these and don't call me in the morning" treatment that wore off as soon as I ran out of the medication, my Sister-in-law (a chiropractor) bought me the zero tension mouse. A little more concentration on how I was using my computer and using that mouse saved my career. I've been pain-free for the last 6 years while computing without any medications.

It looks like they're no longer selling it directly through their website but I saw one for sale, here: http://www.specialneedscomputers.ca/index.php?l=product_detail&p=148

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RE: Formatting..? by JarredWalton, 144 days ago
jamori, you're pretty much correct: dictating punctuation for coding is so tedious that I couldn't be bothered to do it. I found that when programming, though, I don't do as much typing so if you learn to take your hands away from the keyboard and relax, it might help. Of course, documentation is also part of programming in many cases (specifications and such), and DNS can help with that.

As far as bold and such, you say "bold that" after a phrase, or "bold on/off". "Italicize that", "underline that", etc. all work as well - I'd assume they work fine in Standard, though I don't know for sure as I'm using Pro.

I've tried chiropractors and massage therapy and it didn't help much at all. Best solution for me is to stop typing, so that's what DNS allows me to do (for the most part). Thankfully, using a mouse hasn't ever bothered me, though if I played Diablo enough it might start!

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RE: Formatting..? by EvilBlitz, 144 days ago
Seriously have a go at doing some light weights. Just to work your forearms, biceps and triceps. It doesn't have to be hard out. I find that if I do a little bit every day I get a lot less pain in my wrists and arms.

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converting audio files by chamira, 144 days ago
Can DNS convert existing audio files to Word docs or text?

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RE: converting audio files by JarredWalton, 144 days ago
I think you need the Professional version, or perhaps Preferred? I know the Standard version won't do audio files and I'm pretty sure Pro is needed. Or you could just connect speakers to whatever device holds your audio and stick your mic in front of them! LOL... it actually works okay if the volume is loud enough and the tapes have clear dictation.

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How long by SlyNine, 144 days ago
How long did it take it to learn your speech. I liked Vista's software but in the end I think its just easier to type. However now I'm back in school I'm thinking about using it again.

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RE: How long by JarredWalton, 144 days ago
DNS does much better than Vista IMO. Honestly, it's only about 15 minutes of training and you can begin using it without too much in the way of errors. It probably starts around 95-96% accuracy and improves a bit over time (or you learn to dictate more clearly and enunciate properly).

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Recognition with accent by beginner99, 144 days ago
What about recognition of English if english is not your mother tongue and you obviosuly have somekind of an accent?
In work I write like 80 % in english, internatonal company...

Does it stil work? Is there an USA and Great britan specific version? I mean these 2 dialects do sound very different.

Is the software multi-lingual? like I can buy 1 version and have all languages available?

I understand that this is is a great product for native-english speakers that only have to type english, but there are lot's of people these criteria don't apply to.



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RE: Recognition with accent by JarredWalton, 144 days ago
I know there are at least three "dialects" that DNS uses: US English, UK English, and Indian English (I suppose that's for those with a strong Indian accent). I have heard from others that DNS actually does quite well with accents, but I can't speak from personal experience.

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RE: Recognition with accent by UNHchabo, 144 days ago
India does have its own dialect of English, mostly influenced by the fact that a substantial number of Indians speak English, but it's not their only language. Because of this, Indian English has influences from the other languages spoken there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_English

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My response? by JonnyDough, 144 days ago
$30 for an ergonomic keyboard...

Or, $50 for this software.

I think it's a good deal, but without any other VR software to compare it to it would be ill advised to blow even $50 without hearing anyone's take on several different ones.

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Fry's has DNS Preferred by ratbert1, 144 days ago
for $60 after rebate. This week only until the 24th.

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Canadian Tiger Direct Deal by Akai, 144 days ago
I took a quick look on tigerdirect.ca for a similar deal for all those canucks out there :)

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/...tails.asp?EdpNo=4897583&CatId=4434

Price: 139.99 CDN
-85.02 Instant Savings
-20.00 Rebate
Total: 34.97 CDN

Thats the OEM version which includes a headset

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Deploying dragon at work .. by Fattysharp, 144 days ago
I have been deploying Dragon at work now for the past 4 months and it has been a nightmare.

I work in the healthcare field, and the idea was to use use less warm bodies transcribing, and more doctors dictating straight to the system.

The product locks up and freezes regularly (multiple sites, multiple scenarios). What was suppose to have been a 1 month project, with the vendor supporting the product, has turned into us (internal IT department) spending 4 months trying to sort out all the issues with "input" from Nuance. Still not even close to getting it into production, but given the amount of money spent already, and letting go employees, I doubt it will end anytime soon.

for the 30-50$ that it can be purchased for it *might* be a product with playing with, but i do not reccomend using it as a bussiness solution.

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Amazon has it for $44.99 by coolhardware, 144 days ago
RE: Amazon has it for $44.99 by BigDealzz, 144 days ago
Wow, Amazon even has FREE shipping! Thanks for the link, I'm ordering now!!!

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Headset price by Skott, 144 days ago
That headset he links is prohibitively expensive for the average user. $185?? Ouch! I like the design though. Just not the price.

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Unworthy by DominionSeraph, 143 days ago
Hey, if you pirate Dragon, it's even cheaper!

WTF is an, "OMG!! SALE!!" article doing on the front page of AnandTech?

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RE: Unworthy by whatthehey, 143 days ago
Thanks for being a moron. Did you RTFA? If it were just about the sale, then it might annoy some people, but it sounds like Jarred uses Dragon and finds it beneficial, in which case taking the time to put together a blog would make sense. Considering it's under the blog section rather than as a full article, I wasn't expecting a review but I did find some useful tidbits nonetheless.

64-bit support finally being here is extremely important info, as there's no way I'm going back to a 32-bit OS. I can't believe it took them what... three years since the launch of Vista to get a 64-bit version out? That right there speaks volumes for the level of competition - as in, there isn't any worth noting or Dragon would have worked harder to get 64-bit support done.

Anyway, I hope you got a full refund after paying so much to read a blog about a potentially interesting product. Heaven help us if you didn't like wasting your time so badly that you had to post a comment to let everyone know! Personally I got the impression Jarred wants to spend more time on the subject but is busy elsewhere and felt this was a nice opportunity for a quick mention... and the comments with other deals on Dragon make it even more useful.

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RE: Unworthy by DominionSeraph, 143 days ago
Mere reading? Try comprehending. I find it works better.

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RE: Unworthy by DominionSeraph, 143 days ago
64 bit support is not important info, as there's been 64 bit speech recognition for years. It's called, "Windows."

The author not only didn't try any of the alternatives, it appears as though he is given copies of Dragon. As his aquisition cost is unnaturally lowered, which would cause him to overvalue the product. Even with that, he didn't value the product highly enough to blog about it until the fire sale came up. A net valuation keyed on a sale does is unworthy to be on AT, as it's completely dependent on the sale being in effect.

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RE: Unworthy by JarredWalton, 143 days ago
Actually, he's a lot closer in being correct than you are. I purchased DNS8 several years back and even wrote a comparison with the Windows version. That was linked in the article if you care to go back and look. I've tried the Vista speech recognition off and on a few times and have thought about doing a full article, but the amount of time and effort involved is very substantial and I have plenty of laptops to get reviewed first.

If you go try DNS and Windows, I dare you to conclude that Windows is anything but a poor alternative. Perhaps Win7 will do better (I'll look at it at some point), but fundamentally the UI in the Vista version had some serious issues for me. Try adding a custom phrase for example, like "A. Suess E. PC one thousand five H. A. = ASUS Eee PC 1005HA". It's easy to do in DNS and works perfectly. Perhaps you can do it in Windows as well, but if so I haven't figured it out.

Admittedly, after a few hours of trying the Windows alternative I usually get frustrated and go back to Dragon. Is that because I started on Dragon or because the MS version just doesn't cut it? I'm inclined to go with the latter opinion, since I've tried it quite a few times.

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Indian English by beginner99, 143 days ago
lol. i think this is funny.separate language. I sometimes have to deal with Indian supporters. It's not easy at all. The say they speak English but it sounds like "Suhalesi" to me (understand like 1/4 of it). I understand it's cheaper than an american or english supporter, but in the end you spend at least double the time with them compared to a native speaker because of language issues and missunderstandings.

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RE: Indian English by ol1bit, 143 days ago
Amazon has it for $44 and free shipping!

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