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EVGA P55 FTW - It's Here...Pictorial Preview
EVGA P55 FTW - It's Here...Pictorial Preview
Date: August 10th, 2009
Author: Rajinder Gill
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Sorry folks, we actually have another shameless P55 motherboard picture preview for you. I know Gary thought his ASRock article was the last of them, but EVGA released us this evening to discuss their flagship P55 (E657) FTW (For The Win) product. We know you are urging us to break rank at this point and post up some heavy overclocking benchmarks and performance comparisons against the i7 platform, but there is little chance of getting away with anything other than a few pictures to look over until the platform embargo lifts.

We are not quite sure at this point of how many users will be attracted to higher cost i5 boards given the fact that that total platform cost overlaps the cost of entry-mid level i7 offerings. However, this has not deterred any of the big players from putting together a top-end i5 package based upon a combination of features they think will reel in customers. Early pricing lists of i5 boards are putting the top-end offerings between the $200~$250 mark, this one is no different with an estimated MSRP of $250 (there will be a few sub $200 models offered as well as an NF200 'Classified' variant of the board we're previewing today).



Any board following in the footsteps of the EVGA X58 Classified has a lot to live up to. Early overclocking tests on the i5 platform have revealed a similar trend to what we saw on the X58/i7 motherboards when used with sub-zero cooling, with the top-end EVGA P55 boards ahead of the competition by the slimmest of margins as we move into the final tweaking stage before full retail release.

It is not a massive gap at this point, we are talking a 3-5 BCLK difference between this board and the ‘best of the rest’ given the same hardware configuration and voltages. For the more conventional user (those using air and water cooling), our take is that you won’t find any overclocking advantage comparing one enthusiast board over another, assuming functionality is completely up to speed.

There are a number of unique hardware features that EVGA hopes will help keep their top line boards ahead of the pack when really pushed by an enthusiast. EVGA has gone the extra mile by providing onboard hardware components that make fine adjustment compensation for all major signal lines possible among other items. Team these functions with sub-zero boot-up & current limit manipulation jumpers and we begin to see that EVGA is making a full assault for the P55 overclocking crown.



Companies such as EVGA, DFI and MSI continue with a purist approach to PWM design for all major power rails. We happen to sit with the camp that believes in the importance of fast transient response and low noise attributes first. The proof is in the pudding and we’re eager to compare several boards side by side to see if any additional overclocking headroom can be realized that supports the ‘more phases=unconditionally better’ theory.

Initial in lab tests indicates that the only thing that really matters from a user perspective is that the given PWM design is capable of pumping out the required current comfortably and cleanly. The rest comes down to heat management and ease of cooling; anything more seems to be a matter of marketing rather than real substance.

Other than costs, we cannot see a reason why it is not possible to keep a reasonable phase count by using suitably sized MOSFET’s with a decent heat sink and capable buck controller. We think it would be of more use to all concerned if companies would simply inform all of us how much current their PWM circuits can supply rather than tell us about XXX number of phases, which on its own does not tell us anything at all.



In the case of the E657 FTW, CPU power is supplied by a 600W peak current capable 12-phase supply (more than i5 will ever need). VTT and memory power is supplied by 2 and 3 phase supplies respectively, both using the same model of FET’s as used for the CPU. You’ll also notice that EVGA has added socket 775 mounting holes at a slight angle from the 1156 holes, a welcome addition for those of you with a good 775 heat sink or those of you concerned about needing new socket mounts for those trusted LN2 pots and phase change coolers.



The rear panel contains 6 USB ports, PS2 keyboard port, 2 ESATA ports, 1x1394a port, dual Marvell Gigabit LAN ports and the audio panel driven by the popular Realtek ALC889 HD codec. A CMOS clear button is provided on the rear panel for ease of use when the board is mounted in a case.



A Hex postcode display is available for debugging purposes together with an output connecter for EVGA’s OCP (overclocking panel) which helps users work around the somewhat quirky boot-up voltage requirements of sub-zero cooled processors. An additional 6 USB ports are supported via internal headers, plus an extra 1394a header.

Three onboard BIOS chips are present allowing users to store different BIOS revisions for testing purposes or as a failsafe backup. BIOS chip selection is made possible by a simple three-position slider switch placed at the lower left corner of the board.



Looking over the slot layout; we have one PCIe 2.0 x1 slot, two PCI slots, and three PCIe 2.0 x16 slots providing x16/x4 or x8/x8/x4 lane allocation (depending upon usage). Seven (1 CPU + 6 additional) fully controllable fan headers are placed in various locations, five of which are easily accessible at all times regardless of component loading.

Onboard power, reset and CMOS clear buttons are placed at the lower edge of the board for those of us that like to test and use boards on an open testbed (the reset button doubles up as a flashing LED to show SATA activity).

That about rounds up today's quick preview, the official release is not far off so please bear with us...


Gallery: EVGA P55 FTW

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Expensive by dagamer34, 182 days ago
Can someone tell me why you would spend so much on a motherboard? I mean, from what I know, there are just lots of other things to spend money on that will get you higher performance. I know you that the bottom of the barrel stuff is missing some decent features, but what does the high-end stuff bring?

Or maybe I'll have to wait for the review to find out...

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RE: Expensive by Hapikern, 182 days ago
This motherboard is stupid, why someone would bother to buy this if you can get an X58 motherboard with equal or less money, P55 is supposed to be a mainstream aproach of the nehalem technology.


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RE: Expensive by faxon, 182 days ago
you're apparently missing the point of what this board is. it's designed as the P55 counterpart to the X58 classified boards, which come in starting at $400. the only reason you would buy one of these boards is for sub zero cooling (dry ice or liquid nitrogen) for benchmarking purposes and overclocking competitions. normal board design runs into all sorts of issues due to the extremely low temperatures the boards are exposed to under these conditions, so EVGA is filling this gap with something which can take the heat (or lack there of). it was even said in the article this board isnt intended for the mainstream enthusiast crowd

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RE: Expensive by AznBoi36, 181 days ago
Totally agree. This board is made for the extreme overclockers who are in it for max overclock and top benchmarks (superPi, 3dmark, clockspeed, etc). But for 24/7 use this board is too overpriced and out of the mainstream enthusiast, or dare I say even the high-end enthusiast market.

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RE: Expensive by dwade123, 178 days ago
Then they're still better off with x58. 6 core monster coming out exclusively for x58 as well.

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RE: Expensive by RFV, 151 days ago
Totally agree, EVGA P55 FTW was introduced recently in the UK for a price of £127, that lasted a few hours and then the price shot up to £170 (GBP), that's approx $280 (US). Sure it's a nice board but the price is way over the top for what is supposed to be a "mainstream" board. At this kind of money it goes head to head with the X58's. It's not just EVGA, but Asus, and Gigabyte too. These high priced P55 boards need to drop their prices by around £50 (GBP) to make them competitive against X58. It's interesting to see that the humble MSI P55 GD65 (6 + 1 phase power system) costing £120, thrashed the high-end Asus P7P55D Deluxe (16 + 3 phase power system) costing £170, in every possible benchmark.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/motherboards/2009/09/09/asus-p7p55d-deluxe/6

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Ypu're kiddin right? by Penzelbub2010, 182 days ago
Well, yah it's a lot of money. But people buy these board because they appreciate their hardware. tehy want the best. Not all people are your Emachine, drop a buck and a half sail for a year or two Pc surfer. We get the hardest of hardware and push it till it can't be pushed anymore. I mean come on dude, we all need some sort of hobby, else we'd all be at the bar or some other debaucherous antic. I love buying hardware, specing it out, ordering it up, and yeah, one who follows this stuff, can get the deals and steals, and once yah get it, yah admore it, yah prey to the hardware gods that it'll kick like yah want it to, and wooolah, the need for speed is realized. Appearently, you must have a different hobby? Stamp collector maybe? what's a stamp collector doing reading Anandtech? lol.

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You're kidding right? by NA1NSXR, 182 days ago
That stamp collector probably has a faster system for less money and all he probably had to do was forego some clear windows, rainbow LEDs, and color coordinated mobo plastic.

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RE: Ypu're kiddin right? by dagamer34, 182 days ago
What limits are being pushed? Give me facts, not sensationalism. What does "the best" have over "more bang for your buck"?

Or for comparison, the equivalent question in CPU land would be what is the difference between $1000 Intel CPU and one of $500? And the response would be "a few megahertz and maybe some more L3 cache". I don't see what more a $250 mobo is adding when a $130 mobo would have overclock support, support for tons of USB ports and SATA channels, 7.1 audio, etc...

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RE: Ypu're kiddin right? by Rajinder Gill, 182 days ago
For someone using conventional cooling methods the differences betwween at $130 and $250 won't be worth the increased outlay.

If sub-zero cooling is your thing (probably not in your case, but the FTW and Classified line from EVGA caters to this crowd), what we're seeing at the moment is the flexibility to change voltages during boot cycle time and being able to run lower overall CPU temperatures on one of our samples without the board locking up (the other vendor boards are topping out lower in some cases). The signal compensation adjustments allow slightly higher stable BCLK potential than the pother boards translating to higher benchmark scores in one way or another to those that care about such things. To some these little advantages are worth the extra. For the rest of us, there are plenty of products filling the $130-$200 bracket (including upcoming boards from EVGA (they have stuff coming in below $200), Gigiabyte, DFI the list goes on).

later



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RE: Ypu're kiddin right? by Hxx, 181 days ago
As it was said before, this board is not your conventional run of the mill best bang for the buck board. Given this and all other features bundled with this board, why don't they include a decent sound card, or a cheap high riser card that can be removed and replaced with a good one? Why is the sound component neglected on so many boards nowadays (especially the high end ones)?

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RE: Ypu're kiddin right? by mindless1, 173 days ago
... because a high quality audio solution requires a lot of PCB real-estate, it simply wouldn't fit on a board unless it were designed to accomodate only mATX amount of slots/etc then the entire bottom devoted to the audio.

Why they don't include an audio card is simple to understand, that anyone can buy the card/features they want and someone willing to spend the excessive amount of money on this board and the cost of sub-zero cooling needed to exploit the board's features, must be willing to throw a lot of money at their system so if audio is important to them another $100 or 2 wouldn't be much of a factor.

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RE: Ypu're kiddin right? by Ratman6161, 181 days ago
But for those that feel that way there is the x58 and i7. Looks like I'll be sticking with 775 and my Q6600 for quite a while longer.

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Seriously? 16x/4x or 8x/8x/4x ? by Sagath, 182 days ago
Is this a chipset limitation or a choice by EVGA to try and push those with SLI to X58?

Also, its been said a million times before, and needs to be said again; Let PCI die.

Nice lookin' board. I guess they listened to the feedback from the X58 SE. I loved the look, just didnt have the features I wanted.

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RE: Seriously? 16x/4x or 8x/8x/4x ? by CK804, 182 days ago
After I read your post, I thought about how most manufacturers still include floppy and IDE ports. I think this EVGA board is the first non-Intel branded motherboard I've seen that doesn't include floppy or IDE ports.

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RE: Seriously? 16x/4x or 8x/8x/4x ? by tomoyo, 182 days ago
You know, PCI really can't die unless peripheral makers actually make PCI-E CARDS. It's complete failure how there's a total lack of pci express 1x cards for a ton of things. If there was a good marketplace of every type of device in PCI-E style, we'd be all set to kill PCI.

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RE: Seriously? 16x/4x or 8x/8x/4x ? by MadMan007, 182 days ago
Perhaps you haven't looked at add-in cards in quite some time but just about every type of add-in card is available in PCIe nowadays. The main reason for PCI seems to be for those carrying over cards they already own, much like IDE which people like to hate upon more (some older optical drives that are IDE are better for certain things than new ones.) I don't understand the IDE hate though, it takes up a minial amount of space and doesn't really take away from what you can do with the PC unlike expansion slots. It does look like this board has pads for an IDE port though ;)

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RE: Seriously? 16x/4x or 8x/8x/4x ? by MadMan007, 182 days ago
Chipset limitation: 16 lanes from the CPU northbridge and 4 from the P55 chipset.

I'm not too bothered by PCI on full ATX boards if they are layed out right to take in to account those who actually use that many cards. I do however wish that PCI would die faster on mATX boards.

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RE: Seriously? 16x/4x or 8x/8x/4x ? by Casper42, 182 days ago
Just to clarify, P55 supports up to 8 PCIe lanes.
But some of those will be eaten by Gigabit LAN, additional SATA Controllers, etc.

The beginning of the article mentions that the "Classified" version of this board will use an NF200 chip, so you will be able to do:
16-16-4 for full bandwidth to both cards or possibly even 16-8-8 for Triple SLI.

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Molex? by GeorgeH, 182 days ago
What's the reasoning for the molex connector by the x1 slot?

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RE: Molex? by ianken, 182 days ago
I;d like to know that too.

Alos, is the back of the CPU soicket clear of clutter? Every evga board I've used had crap back there that prevented the use of after market coolers with back plates.

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RE: Molex? by Rajinder Gill, 182 days ago
The molex connecter is to augment PCE/e slot power when using a couple of heavily overclocked GPU's. It's usage is not a necessity unless you're really pushing the GPU's hard.

Cooler backplates designed for use with i5 boards should be fine. The only infringement into the mounting area is the presence of thru hole cap leads which are a requirement gievn the need for bulk capacitance close to the CPU socket (all boards have them - some a lot more than others). Vendors designing coolers for socket 1156 should already be aware of this and be using suitable brackets for upcoming coolers.

later


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RE: Molex? by AznBoi36, 181 days ago
I remember these. I had them on my 680i LT SLI board also. Seems to be a "EVGA" thing.

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LGA775 mounts by MadMan007, 182 days ago
Now that ASRock and eVGA have revealed their boards with the creative LGA775 heatsink mounts I wonder how many other boards will have a quick v1.1 revision to add them.

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RE: LGA775 mounts by strikeback03, 182 days ago
I wonder why Intel felt the need to create another set of mounting holes. The 1156 holes are what, less than a mm further out than the 775?

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RE: LGA775 mounts by AznBoi36, 181 days ago
I'll imagine that the board will break very easily, since the spacing between the holes are like 2mm thin....

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RE: LGA775 mounts by mindless1, 173 days ago
If you have a sufficiently large (heavy) heatsink it should come with a backplate. Otherwise, ripping apart a PCB is not likely anyway, the larger problem is when the pressure flexes a larger region of the board and breaks surface mounted parts or solder junctions.

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Looks good, but its expensive... by RagingDragon, 182 days ago
I like the colours, and the heatsink designs. But at that price point I'd probably opt for an X58 board.

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PCI-e x1 slot by Axaion, 182 days ago
Damn, looks to me as if I wont be able to put my Xonar DX in the top PCI-e x1 slot cause of that.. thing! there :p

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RE: PCI-e x1 slot by Rajinder Gill, 182 days ago
It does sit slightly proud of the PCIeX1 slot. As it serves no purpose other than to glow red (its not a heatsink), I think you'd probably be able to remove it without voiding your warranty. It's held in place by a couple of screws.

later


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RE: PCI-e x1 slot by MadMan007, 182 days ago
Wow what a stupid thing for eVGA to put on their board. Blingbling branding over being able to use an expansion slot? Fail.

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RE: PCI-e x1 slot by Rajinder Gill, 182 days ago
I spoke with EVGA this morning, apparently there are no obstruction issues with overhanging soundcards. They confirmed the recess is sufficient.

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RE: PCI-e x1 slot by UNHchabo, 181 days ago
Heh; I thought that was a handle, so you could hang on to something besides the edge of the board or the heatsink when lowering the board into a case.

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Dual EPS12V PSU required? by Nickel020, 182 days ago
I noticed that the board has two EPS12V connectors, are these actually required or does it work when you only connect one?
If it actually requires the two then it's quite strange that EVGA decides to release such a board. The vast majority of potential customers will not have a PSU like that, and people who have one are likely already using a Nehalem. That leaves EVGA with hardcore overclockers that want to achieve WR on P55, but it's an economically questionable decision to release a board jsut targeted at that crowd.

The board does look quite good though, the only "problem" I see is the placement of the CF/SLI molex 4-pin.



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RE: Dual EPS12V PSU required? by Rajinder Gill, 182 days ago
Both EPS12V sockets are in parallel so the board works fine with a single EPS12V connector.

The molex connecter won't be needed mostly. Only for the suicide run stuff with LN2 I'd imagine as with the secondary EPS12V.







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RE: Dual EPS12V PSU required? by AznBoi36, 181 days ago
I've got 2x EPS12V connectors on my Corsair HX1000 :)

But I'm already on i7 so no need for P55 :)

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RE: Dual EPS12V PSU required? by mindless1, 173 days ago
If you were to very extreme overclock, THEN you would need both to supply the current the PWM subcircuit can handle since the wires and connector contacts have inherent limits in current. Otherwise, for normal overclocking you could use only one connector.

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Solder pads by Furuno, 182 days ago
Hey, there's some solder pads beside the memory slots. I wonder what's that for?

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RE: Solder pads by strikeback03, 182 days ago
Read the silkscreen - Braidwood.

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RE: Solder pads by Casper42, 182 days ago
Wonder why they didnt include the connector?

For an OC Board, I would think they would want to give you the option of Braidwood assist for conventional Hard Drives.

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Bios security by anandreader, 182 days ago
Good to see the 3 bios backups - presumably, the two offline chips aren't writable unless the slider switch is set to them?

What I think would be the best rootkit defense is a method to overwrite the functioning bios at post time by pressing a button. That would restore the bios to a known good state. If you want to flash a new bios from the OS, you still have to push the button or flip a toggle before the chip is writable. Once the bios write button was pressed, the flash utility could proceed. So pressing the button at post time says - "overwrite the current bios". Pressing the same button at os time says - "yeah, it's ok to flash a new bios but if I press this button at post time, erase what I'm about to write."

That way, a rootkit wouldn't be able to stealth its way into the bios. And if it somehow did, the post-time button press would wipe it with the factory bios. That means the factory bios would have to be in some sort of ROM.

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775 heatsink mounts are worth money by flipmode, 182 days ago
The fact that you can put a 775 heatsink on here is worth some real money to those with some nice $30-$60 775 heatsinks.

Um, what the HECK is the "purist approach" to power phase design? Is it "more is better" or "quality is better"? Just trying to be "in the know".

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RE: 775 heatsink mounts are worth money by Rajinder Gill, 182 days ago
Purist in the sense of a design not relying on external multiplexers to sub-divide phases for a pseudo phase effect. In most cases the current is still limited by the buck controller no matter how you sub-divide downstream. Point is, you can have 24 phases supplying 300~400w peak or a 12 phase solution supplying 600w. SO when motherboard vendors advertise their boards under the guise of phase count - its really not telling us much at all. There really is no need for a multitude of phases adding extra complexity to the design plus additional switching noise when you can make a fast transient response supply by using the right parts and a less complex topology.



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RE: 775 heatsink mounts are worth money by MadMan007, 182 days ago
Multiphase designs can be cheaper to implement if they use more cheap parts rather than fewer expensive ones. Given the way mobo manufacturers penny pinch I am certain that's the real reason lots of phases have become fashionable, it also helps that it's easy to market 'MOAR=BETTAR' to the enthusiast crowd which isn't aware of the real details of power supply design.

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... by shabby, 182 days ago
1 slot spacing between x16 pcie slots = FTL, evga should change the name of the board.

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RE: ... by Rajinder Gill, 182 days ago
Given the fact that you can't run GPU's in the PCI/e X4 slot (3rd slot) and the fact that there is enough room for a twin slot GPU to be installed in the first slot, I can't see a major problem other than perhaps airflow for the primary GPU. The secondary graphics slot (8X electrical) is the 5th slot. So even if you were running 2 graphics cards, you'd still be able to squeeze something into the PCI/e X4 slot in a well ventilated case with some cross-flow in the PCI/e area.

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RE: ... by shabby, 182 days ago
I can't see a major problem other than perhaps airflow for the primary GPU

Thats my beef with the single slot spacing, i'd never buy a board that has this setup.
The top gpu will always run hotter because it can't breathe. Every other p55 board has 2 slot spacing, not sure why evga went with this design.

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RE: ... by jAkUp, 182 days ago
The slot layout is designed this way so you can have 3 dual slot cards + a PCIe 1x card.

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RE: ... by shabby, 182 days ago
Was that really the reason behind this? How many people are going to run 3 gpu's, let alone on a x8/x8/x4 mobo? Makes a bit more sense on a x58 mobo with x16/x8/x8.

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i5 release date anybody? by Ananke, 182 days ago
Does anybody knows when is i5 due for release to retail?

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