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ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT: Calling a Spade a Spade
ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT: Calling a Spade a Spade
Date: May 14th, 2007
Topic: Video Card
Manufacturer: ATI
Author: Derek Wilson
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While AMD will tell us that R600 is not late and hasn't been delayed, this is simply because they never actually set a public date from which to be delayed. We all know that AMD would rather have seen their hardware hit the streets at or around the time Vista launched, or better yet, alongside G80. But the fact is that AMD had quite a few problems in getting R600 out the door.

While we couldn't really get the whole story from anyone, we heard bits and pieces here and there during our three day briefing event in Tunis, Tunisia. These conversations were short and scattered and not the kind of thing that it's easy to get a straight answer about when asking direct questions. Keeping that in mind, we do have some information and speculation about a few of the road bumps AMD faced with R600.

Apparently, the first spin of R600 silicon could only communicate over the debugging interface. While the upside is that the chip wasn't totally dead, this is not a good problem to have. We also overheard that a later revision of the hardware suffered from fragments getting stuck in pixel shaders. We even overheard one conversation where someone jokingly remarked that AMD should design hardware but leave the execution to NVIDIA.

In a wild bout of pure speculation on our part, we would have to guess about one other problem that popped up during R600's creation. It seems to us that AMD was unable to get their MSAA hardware to work properly and was forced to use shader hardware to handle MSAA rather than go back for yet another silicon revision. Please know that this is not a confirmed fact, but just an educated guess.

In another unique move, there is no high end part in AMD's R600 lineup. The Radeon HD 2900 XT is the highest end graphics card in the lineup and it's priced at $399. While we appreciate AMD's intent to keep prices in check, the justification is what we have an issue with. According to AMD, it loses money on high end parts which is why we won't see anything more expensive than the 2900 XT this time around. The real story is that AMD would lose money on a high end part if it wasn't competitive, which is why we feel that there's nothing more expensive than the 2900 XT. It's not a huge deal because the number of people buying > $399 graphics cards is limited, but before we've started the review AMD is already giving up ground to NVIDIA, which isn't a good sign.

More than anything, we'd guess that the lack of a high end part has a lot to do with the delays and struggles AMD saw this time around in bringing R600 to market. We expect to see the return of a very high end part by the time R700 comes around, assuming that there aren't similarly debilitating delays.

The delays and lack of a high end would be beyond perfect if the Radeon HD 2900 XT could do to NVIDIA what the G80 launch did to ATI, unfortunately the picture just isn't that rosy. ATI's latest and greatest doesn't exactly deliver the best performance per watt, so while it doesn't compete performance-wise with the GeForce 8800 GTX it requires more power. An ultra high end power requirement in a sub-$400 graphics card isn't exactly ideal.

Despite all of this, there's a great deal of cool technology in the R600, and as ATI is now a part of a CPU company, we received more detail on the GPU than we've gotten during any other GPU launch. AMD takes graphics very seriously, and it recently reaffirmed its commitment to continue to deliver high end discrete graphics cards, so amidst countless delays and rumors of strange problems, the R600 architecture is quite possibly more important to AMD than the graphics cards themselves. An eventual derivative of this architecture will be used in AMD's Fusion processors, eventually making their way into a heterogeneous multi-core AMD microprocessor.

With AMD's disappointing Q1, it can't rest too much on the hope of Fusion changing the market, so we'll have to start by looking at where R600 is today and how it stacks up to NVIDIA's latest and almost greatest.

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Calling a Spade a Spade by Creig, 1002 days ago
The R600 is finally here. I'm sure the overall performance is not what AMD was hoping for. Nobody ever shoots to have their newest product be the 2nd best. But pricing it at $399 and including a very nice game bundle will make the HD 2900 XT a VERY worthwhile purchase. I also have the feeling that there is a significant amount of performance increase to be realized through future driver releases ala X1800XT.

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RE: Calling a Spade a Spade by rADo2, 1002 days ago
It is not 2nd best (after 8800ULTRA), not 3rd best (after 8800GTX), not 4th best (after 8800GTX-640), but 5th best (after 8800GTS-320), or even worse ;)

Bad performance with AA turned on (everybody turns on AA), huge power consumption, late to the market.

A definitive failure.

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RE: Calling a Spade a Spade by imaheadcase, 1001 days ago
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Bad performance with AA turned on (everybody turns on AA), huge power consumption, late to the market.


Says who? Most people I know don't care to turn on AA since they visually can't see a difference. Only people who are picky about everything they see do normally, the majority of people don't notice "jaggies" since the brain fixes it for you when you play.

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RE: Calling a Spade a Spade by Amuro, 1001 days ago
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the majority of people don't notice "jaggies" since the brain fixes it for you when you play.

Says who? No one spent $400 on a video card would turn off AA.

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RE: Calling a Spade a Spade by motiv8, 1001 days ago
Depends on the game or player tbh.

I play within ladders without AA turned on, but for games like oblivion I would use AA. Depends on your needs at the time.

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RE: Calling a Spade a Spade by imaheadcase, 1000 days ago
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Says who? No one spent $400 on a video card would turn off AA.


Sure they do, because its a small "tweak" with a performance hit. I say who spends $400 on a video card to remove "jaggies" when they are not noticeable in the first place to most people. Same reason most people don't go for SLI or Crossfire, because it really in the end offers nothing substantial for most people who play games.

Some might like it, but they would not miss it if they stopped using it for some time. Its not like its make or break feature of a video card.

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RE: Calling a Spade a Spade by SiliconDoc, 216 days ago
Boy we'd sure love to hear those red fans claiming they turn off AA nowadays and it doesn't matter.
LOL
It's just amazing how thick it gets.

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RE: Calling a Spade a Spade by Roy2001, 1001 days ago
Says who? Most people I know don't care to turn on AA since they visually can't see a difference.
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Wow, I never turn it of once I am used to have AA. I cannot play games anymore without AA.

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RE: Calling a Spade a Spade by yacoub, 1002 days ago
$400 is a lot of money. Not terribly long ago the highest end GPU available didn't cost more than $400. Now they hit $750 so you start to think $400 sounds cheap. It's really not. It's a heck of a lot of money for one piece of hardware. You can put together a 650i SLI rig with 2GB of DDR2 6400 and an E4400 for that much money. I know because I just did that. I kept my 7900GT from my old rig because I wanted to see how R600 did before purchasing an 8800GTS 640MB. Now that we've seen initial results I will wait to see how R600 does with more mature drivers and also wait to see the 640MB GTS price come down even more in the meantime.

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RE: Calling a Spade a Spade by vijay333, 1002 days ago
http://www.randomhouse.com/wotd/index.pperl?date=19970115

"the expression to call a spade a spade is thousands of years old and etymologically has nothing whatsoever to do with any racial sentiment."



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