HDTV Support

Microsoft has taken a lot of flack on this next point, and that is the support for only OTA (over the air) HDTV broadcasts. This means that the only HDTV channels MCE 2005 will support are those you can get over a HDTV antenna, not channels like HBO HD and Discovery HD. There are sensitive issues regarding content protection that pushed Microsoft in the direction of being as safe as possible with HDTV support for MCE 2005; unfortunately this is one area where Media Center truly falls behind to set-top PVRs like the new HD enabled Tivos.

In the end, with Media Center targeted at the mass consumer market, most people aren't viewing broadcasts in HD so it's not a huge loss for Microsoft, yet. We will have to wait and see how this situation plays out in the future, as it will most definitely adjust Microsoft's course of action with regards to Media Center. Needless to say, Microsoft's safe-route with MCE 2005 has pretty much sealed the verdict as to whether or not Microsoft was going to be the champion of bringing recordable HD content to the masses.

Politics and lawsuits aside, how does MCE 2005 work with OTA HDTV broadcasts? We would love to tell you, but we can't. Although ATI's HDTV Wonder is the only HD tuner supported by MCE 2005 at this time, support for HDTV isn't built into the shipping OS. Instead, there will be a patch made available after the publication of this article, that enables HDTV support but we could not get the patch from Microsoft before the publication of this article.

We will provide updated information as soon as we can get ATI's HDTV Wonder working in a quick follow-up article.

There are a few requirements that we need to spell out for OTA HDTV to work. For starters, you need at least one analog TV tuner in the MCE system, meaning that you can have at most 2 HDTV tuners it would seem. Secondly, ATI's HDTV Wonder does not feature a hardware MPEG-2 encoder, meaning that it cannot be used as both your analog and HDTV tuner, so you'll have to either wait for another card to be supported or you'll have to deal with the fact that getting OTA HDTV support will require two cards. While we haven't had a chance to test it ourselves, HDTV playback under Media Center is supposedly pretty taxing on your system and on your graphics card. We've been told that a minimum of a 128-bit graphics memory bus is necessary, but will we confirm that as soon as possible.

In the end, it's tough to list HDTV support as a feature of MCE 2005. There are far too many limitations for it to be considered a full fledged feature; but it being a "2005" edition would seemingly dictate that it at least needs to have some support for HDTV to save face among the user base.

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  • martydee - Sunday, February 6, 2005 - link

    Does anyone know if a PVR card with a hardware DVD DECODER (such as the Hauppauge WinTV-PVR 350) is compatible with Windows MCE? And would a hardware decoder give any real benefits to the system over the software equivilent (i.e. nVidia DVD decoder)?
  • louisb - Thursday, January 13, 2005 - link

  • mulminute - Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - link

    My biggest use is sending music and photos to entertainment center,. Should I use MC 2004 or wait for 2005
  • mulminute - Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - link

    My biggest use is sending music and photos to entertainment center,. Should I use MC 2004 or wait for 2005
  • CZroe - Sunday, October 17, 2004 - link

    "Windows MCE will never be any use for people serious about video until it allows you to select what codecs you want to use for encoding from all the DirectShow codecs installed on your system. Having to use the proprietary MS stuff with all their DRM garbage is unsuitable."

    You're clearly one seriously misinformed individual. MCE isn't an interface to multiple video formats and types and simply wonld not function correctly if it were.

    Understand this: An MCE PC has one or more TV tuners and video capture cards in it and they will function exactly like any other PC with that hardware. If you want to record in the format of your choice with an XP MCE PC, no one is stopping you. Fire up your application of choice, select your codec and complain to the software maker that they don't have their own integrated EPG and automatic scheduling capabilities. Honestly, how would you expect EVERY format to support embedded CC and on the fly sequence removal? How could you expect hardware encoding support for any directshow enabled codec? You can't just throw a pre-encoded MPEG2 stream from the hardware into any encoder and expect real time results.
  • glennpratt - Thursday, October 14, 2004 - link

    Definately go to www.thegreenbutton.com/community I'm in the US so I don't know much about getting EPG and what not in Australia, but there are a bunch of people from around the world there. The first page load is excruciatingly slow on the site, but once you on its OK.
  • tantryl - Thursday, October 14, 2004 - link

    Quick question that again I haven't seen addressed that much. On the Best/Better etc. quailty settings, what is the average MB/hour ratio?

    How many hours could you store on your average 200GB (191 real GB)?
  • tantryl - Thursday, October 14, 2004 - link

    Thanks glenn.

    I'm in Australia so TiVo or the like is not currently an option (although I've heard rumours it'll be here within another year). The main problem with it is the program guide.

    Australia is officially supported by MCE2005, and I'm very interested in just what that means. So far it looks like no Australia specific music or movie internet services are supported, but I can't find anything to say definately either way. I'm so desperate I'm even considering ringing up Microsoft and going through the quagmire that is customer relations there. But the good thing is, I'm fairly certain (although again, not seen it in writing yet) that the program guide system will work. We only have 5 free-to-air channels and a couple of pay-tv subscription services (that are really the same service packaged differently) so it shouldn't be too hard for them to keep up to date.

    Looking at the performance I'm not seeing a hugley compelling reason to go any higher than a Sempron 3100+ although that might be something that would change once I actually get my hands on it and experience it.

    Hmmmm. All interesting stuff.
  • glennpratt - Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - link

    jamawass - There is an IR blaster connected to the remote USB reciever. There are two ports on it, but the old remote only came with one blaster, the new one which is actually cheaper then the old one comes with two.

    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?desc...

    If you have one you'll understand (or a linux based competitor). The flexibility is awesome (just think about it, it's a whole computer. Not only do you have all the flexibilty advanteges of MCE, you have a full blown OS underneath) compared to a Tivo. It's also MUCH MUCH faster then a Tivo.

    As for stability, it all depends on the computer you build it on. You can't tell it's a PC if all you have is the remote. Mine has run for nearly a year, nonstop. You can even put it in S3 (Suspend to ram) and it will still wake up and record when it has to, just like Tivo.

    Really, HTPC serves a very different market then Tivo. It has a million more uses then Tivo + DVD Recorder.

    For me I have an old high end CRT data projector in my living room, and the cheapest thing I could connect to it when I first got it was a computer. Haven't looked back, even as transcoders have gotten much better and cheaper.
  • jamawass - Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - link

    How does mce control digital cable boxes for scheduled recordings? Does the remote have a built in IR blaster?

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