The TV in Beyond TV - Live TV & Timeshifting

Now, let's get into what puts the "TV" in Beyond TV.




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Once we started up live TV, we were pleasantly surprised with the nice, clean and slick interface that accompanied it. The four translucent panels auto-hide after about 5 seconds (default setting), but while they are visible, they provide information on show, episode, volume, date/time, and current recording activity.




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Note the clock icon in the lower left hand corner of the TV window (first screenshot), which indicates timeshifting. Technically, "live TV" here is not really live TV. Beyond TV 3 timeshifts the TV signal so that it is about 3 seconds behind the live signal. Timeshifting is on by default for most system configurations, but it can be turned off for true live TV. However, the buffer time for timeshifting cannot be changed.

Compared to other programs, timeshifting here is more similar to the scheme employed in Microsoft's Window XP MCE 2004. When a channel is changed, the timeshift "restarts" so that the previous session is discarded. Keep in mind that the timeshifting bar only retains as much of the recording as the buffer size allows. The default setting: 512MB at Better quality in MPEG-2 only provides 12.8 minutes, which means that you are going to need to allot more to timeshift those longer TV shows. Either that or reduce the recording quality.




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We didn't have any need to edit settings like brightness, contrast, etc. like we have had to in other programs. SnapStream seems to have gotten the default and auto settings down right in this respect. But if your signal needs to be tweaked a bit, the option is still available.

The TV in Beyond TV – Recorded Shows The TV in Beyond TV – Recording & Program Guide
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  • DFranch - Friday, May 14, 2004 - link

    One feature which Snapstream still does not have that Sage Tv has had for some time is multiple tuners. I have 2 tuners in my machine and in 5 months I have only had 2 conflicts on my machine.

    Please do a review of Sage Tv 2.0. It does not seem to get nearly as much press as Snapstream, but it is a really execellent product.
  • glennpratt - Thursday, May 13, 2004 - link

    JackHawksmoor: x86 machines actually can turn themselves on, one of the machines I had even let you set timers in the BIOS. x86 has nothing to do with it by they way, its a function of power managent. More importantly newer PC's support S3 standby which uses almost no power and restores in seconds. My MCE machine with an AXP 2000+ actually goes to standby and restores faster then a TiVo (which also just goes to standby, doesn't actually turn off).

    The MCE remote has a power button on it, push it, it goes to standby. It will power back up if it needs to record a show or when you push the button again.
  • glennpratt - Thursday, May 13, 2004 - link

    BTW, MCE 2004 now has an HDTV Tuner.

    http://www.vboxcomm.com/news_specific.asp?id=49
  • segagenesis - Thursday, May 13, 2004 - link

    First decent review of Beyond TV ive read. Im not sure if SageTV is any better (a review of this in the future could help?). I lack the time to setup MythTV and this would be a good alternative, and I dont really care much about wanting multiple tuner support since I already have a PVR from my cable company. It would really complement things by allowing me to record shows I can put to disc later, something I cant do otherwise unless I had ReplayTV or Tivo with hacks.
  • JackHawksmoor - Thursday, May 13, 2004 - link

    Sorry! I keep thinking of other features I want, and the review isn't clear on. Can this software initiate a dial-up connection to grab program guides? That's another needed feature (unless you've got broadband).
  • JackHawksmoor - Thursday, May 13, 2004 - link

    Whoops, one piece of information I'd like to know is what other formats "ShowSqueeze" can convert to. It would rock if you could set this to automatically convert some shows to like a Divx or MPEG-1 format for a Palm OS unit (the review only mentions Windows Media, and dosen't actually specify that it allows settings for smaller screens, etc.).

    I'd also like a feature to automatically set a show to get copied to a DVD-RW after it's been recorded (so I could watch it on a TV in a different room, etc.)
  • JackHawksmoor - Thursday, May 13, 2004 - link

    Great review! Really informative!

    I'd LOVE to make a PVR out of spare parts, but unfortunatly there's no way for an x86 system to turn itself on for a recording, and I don't want to leave a system running all the time. I'd probably do it otherwise.

    (Technically I think someone could take advantage of features in most BIOS like "wake on network access", etc. Include some piece of hardware that does nothing but wake up the computer-software on the computer tells that piece of hardware when the next time the computer needs to be turned on is, and then the device triggers a wake on LAN (or whatever) to wake the computer up at that time). COULD probably be done.

    I think current Macintosh's can wake themselves up at prescribed times, and I've got an older PowerMac in the closet, so maybe I should look into that...
  • glennpratt - Thursday, May 13, 2004 - link

    Web control is available for Windows Media Center 2004.

    http://www.showtell.com/mce_webguide/2/

    Also, a proof of concept has shown that HDTV is possible in MCE 2004 if the manufacturers would write BDA drivers for HDTV cards. With the SDK its also pretty easy to write programs for MCE which have access to alot of the things MCE does.

    I imagine, the future of HDTV on the computer will involve HDTV analog inputs (Component or RGBHV) from your cable or satelite box to avoid broadcast flags. It would be nice to stream the digital HD stream directly to the hard drive, then simply play it back, but I imagine the industry will never allow pay TV computer decoder cards.
  • orogogus - Thursday, May 13, 2004 - link

    crazy_vag-

    in all likelihood, probably never. You'd need a HDTV capture card, that was HDCP enabled (never going to happen) or a tuner that could tune in pay-channel HDTV (satellite or cable- QAM). They don't exist (well, the FusionIII has QAM but it really doesn't work 100% and it will only tune unencrypted channels)- probably run into HDCP problems here anyway cause the network will likely turn it on for pay channels (not to mention encryption). However, if they ever broadcast Sopranos on over the air channels, you could do it now or in the future, since HDCP shouldn't ever be applied to OTA content. Cheers
  • buleyb - Thursday, May 13, 2004 - link

    agreed #6, MythTV, once setup properly, is the best option for making a HTPC

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