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IDF 2009 - World's First Larrabee Demo, More Clarkdale, Gulftown
IDF 2009 - World's First Larrabee Demo, More Clarkdale, Gulftown
Date: September 22nd, 2009
Topic: Trade Show
Manufacturer: Intel
Author: Anand Lal Shimpi
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Sean Maloney is getting his speaking practice in and he was back during the afternoon for the second set of keynotes at IDF. This one is a bit more interesting.

Sean started by tackling Pat Gelsinger's old playground: Servers. Nehalem-EX (8-core Nehalem) was the primary topic of discussion, but he also demonstrated the new 32nm Westmere-EP processors due out next year.

Westmere-EP is the dual-socket workstation/server version of Westmere (aka 32nm Xeon). The feature-set is nearly identical to Westmere on the desktop, so you get full AES acceleration for improved encrypt/decrypt performance. This is particularly useful for enterprise applications that do a lot of encryption/decryption.


The AES-NI instructions get added to x86 with Westmere. The x86 ISA will be over 700 instructions at that point.

The other major change to the Xeon platform is networking support. The Westmere-EP platforms will ship with Intel's 82599 10GbE controller.

Power consumption should be lower on Westmere and you can expect slightly higher clock speeds as well. If Apple sticks to its tradition, you can expect Westmere-EP to be in the next-generation Mac Pro.

What if you built a Core i7 using 1000nm transistors?

Intel has been on an integration rampage lately. Bloomfield integrated the memory controller and Lynnfield brought the PCIe controller on-die. Sean held up an example of what would happen if Intel had stopped reducing transistor size back in the 386 days.

Here's an image of what the Core i7 die would look like built using ~1000nm transistors instead of 45nm:


That's what a single Core i7 would look like on the 386's manufacturing technology

Assuming it could actually be built, the power consumption would be over 1000W with clock speeds at less than 100MHz.

Next he held up an Atom processor built on the same process:


And that's what Sean Maloney shaking an Atom built on the 386's manufacturing process would look like

Power consumption is a bit more reasonable at 65W, but that's just for the chip. You could drive a few modern day laptops off of the same power.

Useful comparisons? Not really, interesting? Sure. Next.

Larrabee Demo

Larrabee is of course at IDF, but its presence is very muted. The chip is scheduled for a release in the middle of next year as a discrete GPU.

Bill Mark, a Senior Research Scientist at Intel, ran a raytracing demo using content from Enemy Territory Quake Wars on a Gulftown system (32nm 6-core) with Larrabee.

The demo was nothing more than proof of functionality, but Sean Maloney did officially confirm that Larrabee's architecture would eventually be integrated into a desktop CPU at some point in the future.


Larrabee rendered that image above using raytracing, it's not running anywhere near full performance

Clarkdale: Dual Core Nehalem

Clarkdale is the desktop dual-core Nehalem due out by the end of this year with widespread availability in Q1 2010.

Clarkdale will be the ideal upgrade for existing dual-core users as it adds Hyper Threading and aggressive turbo modes. There's also on-package 45nm Intel graphics, which I've heard referred to as finally "good enough" graphics from Intel.


Two cores but four threads, that's Clarkdale

Jasper Forest

Take Nehalem with three DDR3 memory channels, add PCIe 2.0 and RAID acceleration and you've got Jasper Forest. Due out in Q1 2010 this is a very specific implementation of Nehalem for the embedded and storage servers.

Nehalem was architected to be very modular, Jasper Forest is just another example of that. Long term you can expect Nehalem cores (or a similar derivative) to work alongside Larrabee cores, which is what many believe Haswell will end up looking like.

Gulftown: Six Cores for X58

I've mentioned Gulftown a couple of times already, but Intel re-affirmed support for the chip that's due out next year.

Built on the 32nm Westmere architecture, Gulftown brings all of the Westmere goodness in addition to having 6-cores on a single die.

Compatibility is going to be the big story with Gulftown: it will work in all existing X58 motherboards with nothing more than a BIOS update.

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Gulftown Q? by Casper42, 58 days ago
Does Gulftown bring any new features/instructions or is it purely a 32nm 6 core version of the existing 1366 Chips?

For instance, might we see an official memory clock increase with Gulftown to get us up to 1333 or perhaps even 1600?

Thanks for the updates Anand!

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RE: Gulftown Q? by TA152H, 58 days ago
Do you really care about official support for something better than PC 1066? It works perfectly anyway.

I'd like to see them get the power use of the x58 down to a practical level. I don't expect it to reach Lynnfield levels of power use, since it doesn't have so many compromises, but, they need to move the chipset to 45nm to realize some power savings so it's not SO bad as it is now.

Jasper looks like a real killer. The six core processors aren't going to really matter much in the market. It's going to be expensive, and a niche product. The Jasper will probably really do well, though.

When they integrate graphics into the platform, it will kill the fairly useless Lynnfield, and probably become a VERY successful product. I think they should have held off on the Lynnfield, and just introduced this product. I think the Lynnfield just increases market confusion, but once they add the graphics core to it, I think people will really go for it.

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RE: Gulftown Q? by FATCamaro, 58 days ago
Why the Lynnfield hate. Get a grip... I'd like a 2 core 4 thread machine that has a GPU on package for sure.

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RE: Gulftown Q? by TA152H, 58 days ago
The same reason the market seems to hate it. It doesn't make a lot of sense for a lot of the market.

I don't hate it, I just don't think it's a useful product in a lot of instances.

There are sites like this that built it up a lot, and then didn't want to admit they were wrong, but, so far, it's not doing so well. Why would it?

I think the technology will really take off though, when they can integrate the graphics. The brain-damaged design right now seems to be because it's just an interim chip. Probably even Intel knew it sucked, and wouldn't have much impact, but when they get the video on it, everything will change. The inferior PCIe implementation all of the sudden stops being bad, since you have video on board. The price goes down a lot, power use, already good, goes down a lot (considering you need a discrete card now), and all of the sudden you have an inexpensive, low power, system with outrageous performance in that segment.

It's like looking at Florida in College Football. They're great for a college team, but if they play in the pros, they'd be abused. As soon as the Lynnfield, or really what follows it, finds its proper place as a low cost, low power system (Celeron), it's going to be extremely competitive, and I think almost unavoidable for a lot of the market. As it is, it's just not a useful platform for a lot of people. Anyone with brains will get a 920 and overclock it, and get better performance, better flexibility, and better upgradeability. Anyone without any will not know that the Lynnfield is faster than the Athlon, and will not want to pay as much for a 2.66 GHz chip when they can get a 3.2 GHz chip from AMD for the same price.

Yes, people who know more will understand, but they are going to get Bloomfield. So, where is the market? The i5 750, sure, it's a nice price point, and a decent processor. But, really, it's not a big segment. Once they get onboard video, I think it's going to make Core 2 instantly obsolete, and, because it's 32nm, and they are only using one chip for the chipset, they probably can sell it inexpensively.

So, yes, I think Lynnfield is basically crap. I think it's an interim chip without much use as it is, at the price it is (except for some i5 750). But, I think the next interation that use this technology and adds video, will address a large segment very well. But, that's the future. For the present, I don't think Lynnfield really matters much. I think AMD outdid them with the $99 quad Athlon.

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RE: Gulftown Q? by chrnochime, 58 days ago
What IS that URL of your website anyway? Curious to see how much better your site actually is compared to Anand's.

And if you can't show some benchmarks and white paper(NOT what you wrote) to back up what you're saying, like the old saying goes...





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RE: Gulftown Q? by hyvonen, 58 days ago
You know, for a long time I thought TA152H was just an Intel-hating troll, but I think I have just changed my mind. Pretty much everything he says makes sense, even down to the $99 Athlon.

Although I have to disagree that Lynnfield was completely pointless; it was a stop-gap measure, trying to slow down the Phenom revolution with a much cheaper platform price than what Bloomfield could ever reach. Performance is high enough to warrant a premium - I still can't understand how AMD can make any money selling their $99 quad-core.

But yeah, mainstream will wait for Clarkdale.



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RE: Gulftown Q? by mtoma, 58 days ago
Lynnfield it's a good processor for those who want anything than Core2Duo - Core2Quad (the price is similar, anyway), assuming they are Intel fans (me included!).
BUT: I have to say it's a total crap from Intel to require another processor socket. That's a big setback, I think.

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RE: Gulftown Q? by chrnochime, 57 days ago
He just choose to avoid/ignore my question, and why is that anyway?

He's not an Intel hating troll, his statements just slam Lynnfield and even Gulftown. What kind of a statement is this "you're building a nuclear bomb?" I find that anyone who's out of college and mature mentally don't post that kind of non-sense, even jokingly.

Yet another poster just like snakeoil.

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RE: Gulftown Q? by Griswold, 58 days ago
Stop trying to "think". It doesnt seem to work well.

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RE: Gulftown Q? by tim851, 58 days ago
How do you know that the market hates it? Lynnfield has only been available for 2 weeks. You sure seem to be feeling the need of defending your 920 purchase. Yes, you paid a couple of bucks more for the same performance, just get over it.

And I wouldn't call AMD's 99$ quad-core "outdoing" anybody. What they are doing is 1) ruin themselves some more and 2) kill their price performance for years to come. I know they don't have options, but they're right back where they were with the last of the K6's - they're the buy-em-if-you-need-it-cheap company.

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