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ASUS P5E3 Deluxe Overclocking: DDR3 Takes Front Stage
ASUS P5E3 Deluxe Overclocking: DDR3 Takes Front Stage
Date: November 20th, 2007
Topic: CPU & Chipset
Manufacturer: ASUS
Author: Kris Boughton
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Back in September we published an early first look of the ASUS P5E3 Deluxe motherboard. Based on the Intel X38 chipset, this feature-rich board provided us with the promise of good things to come. Unfortunately, rumors surrounding Intel's unexpected problems with the production and distribution of their newest performance desktop chipset were correct and prevented us from going into much more detail. We ended our preliminary examination with the promise of revisiting the board at a not-so-distant date. Our hope was that our patience in the matter would ultimately bestow upon us - first-hand - the benefits of more mature BIOS releases.

Regrettably, not much has changed in regards to the performance of the X38, although the last few weeks have given us the chance to thoroughly explore the BIOS and map some of the rather elusive feature options to improve performance. At this stage, we are finally comfortable with the X38 chipset and believe it has plenty of hidden performance potential if you know where to look for it. In truth, ASUS has given considerable attention to improving the board's BIOS functionality, but quantifying these differences can be a challenge.

In the end, it is difficult to unlock massive amounts of hidden performance when it's just not there. One thing's for certain though, motherboards based on the X38 chipset that make use of older DDR2 technology will never reach the same levels of performance we are starting to see with the DDR3 boards. A quick scan of current DDR3 memory and motherboard prices should be enough to convince just about anyone that upgrading today is serious business.


The last few weeks have presented many enthusiasts with the opportunity to catch their breath; having just experienced the P35 launch last spring, they now have to decide whether to go the X38/X48 and DDR3 route. Deciding whether to make the change to DDR3 is not very difficult: you can afford the buy-in, or you cannot. Given the choice, especially considering the rate at which DDR2 prices continue to plummet, it should come as no surprise that a large majority of users will probably find themselves in a rather favorable situation - one in which the benefits of staying with DDR2 for a little while longer make too much sense to move at this point.

Of course, it's fair to point out that it is common for the market to endure a period of significant buyer hesitation associated with the adoption of new products or technology - usually attributed to a general unfamiliarity with the benefits that come from purchasing the new technologies. As bleeding edge enthusiasts carrying enough credit card debt to send the stock market spiraling downward, we find it hard to stick with DDR2, even though this would be the wise decision at this point. However, after using DDR3 for the past few months, we find it difficult to go back for several reasons, the primary one being our ever-increasing thirst for improving the performance of our shiny new Penryn based processors.

True to fashion, ASUS has once again taken center stage, having worked hard to deliver the P5E3 Deluxe quickly into the hands of salivating enthusiasts. Competition for the title of "world's greatest overclocking motherboard" is fierce, often times having no clear winner. The measured performance margin between close competitors is frequently trivial enough that the tough decision regarding which board to buy comes down to nothing more than personal preference, even brand loyalty. This particular performance segment is exceedingly narrow though, as the number of DDR3-flavored X38 boards for the overclocker is limited at this time.

Those that find themselves entirely unfamiliar with the ASUS P5E3 Deluxe general feature set would do well to check out our first look at this capable board. This time around, we will be taking a detailed look at overclocking capabilities, specifically memory scaling and the effect on overall performance. Before we do this though, let us take a second look at the general board features and layout. We will also point out a few of the hardware features ASUS includes in an effort to improve the motherboard's ability to deliver a strong and stable overclock for Intel's latest processors.

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26 Comments - Last by frede86, 444 days ago
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Overclocked Gaming Performance by AnnihilatorX, 731 days ago
Correct me if I am wrong

The increase in FPS you see going from 400x9 to 465x9 is nearly 100% due to increase in CPU frequency

The performance increase of a 465x9 RAM running at 2:1 memory divider would be less than 5% higher than a similar configuration of 465x9 with slower RAM running at lower divider ratios.

That would mean there is no sense to buy a premium DDR3 for $500 extra for what you can do with less than 5% performance sacrifice with the dirt cheap DDR2 RAM.

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Great Overclocking Guide by Aivas47a, 731 days ago
This is one of the best, detailed overclocking guides I've ever seen. Excellent job! I'm especially glad to have the mystery of Transaction Booster, Skew, and Clock Twister in the Asus bios explained.

Now, if you guys could just prepare a guide for memory subtimings, the treatise would be complete. :)

Thanks very much for this.

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RE: Overclocked Gaming Performance by snarfbot, 726 days ago
no everything you said is correct.

the thing that really gets me though, is that pc6400 ddr2 is commonly capable of reaching 485mhz at lower timings. so whats so great about ddr3?

on a p35 you can easily reach the same speed with cheap memory, at cas 5, sometimes even cas 4 with good overclockable ram.

so basically the only benefit that ddr3 has going for it is the lower voltage required, and of course lower temps, not worth the premium. period.

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GPU Still More Important by jkostans, 731 days ago
Spending an extra $50-100 on a GPU is still way more effective than spending the $200-300 more for DDR3. The only games that struggle with framerate on a modern mid-high end system are mostly GPU and somewhat CPU dependent. You get about the least bang for your buck with memory, but at the bleeding edge of performance I guess money is not a barrier.

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RE: GPU Still More Important by TA152H, 731 days ago
Another way to look at it is, would you rather have 1 GB of DDR3 or 2 GB of DDR2? They cost roughly the same.

I'd rather have the 1 GB, since I can add more memory later. If you end up with DDR2, your system is forever degraded by inferior memory. You can't add it later unless you get a new motherboard. Besides, faster memory makes everything run faster, more memory only makes things run faster if you have to page (pretty much, I know Microsoft steals memory for caching, but that's a mixed bag anyway). Also, more memory wants more power.

I can already hear the argument from people saying that you can get 1 GB of DDR2 as well, and still realize a cost saving. It's a valid point, but at 1 GB the cost difference isn't that great, and I think the performance, and future upgradeability still make DDR3 attractive for some people.

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RE: GPU Still More Important by Owls, 731 days ago
DDR2 is hardly "inferior". When comparing 4GB of DDR3 vs 4GB of DDR2, I can build a whole new computer with what I'd have spent on DDR3. It just doesn't make sense right now no matter how you cut it.. and only having 1GB of ram now?

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RE: GPU Still More Important by TA152H, 731 days ago
I run most of my machines with 512 MB, so 1 GB is hardly a problem.

There are some things you need more memory than 1 GB for.

When I see stuff like "It doesn't make sense no matter how you cut it", I instantly think you're an idiot. You're probably not, but that statement is absurd. There is always a group that the cost of the most expensive, and fastest parts, makes sense. The cost of memory is trivial compared to the cost of salaries, for example, and spending $500 to help someone work faster pays for itself very quickly.

I think the main problem is that most people do not understand that more memory does not always make things faster. I deal with this all the time.

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RE: GPU Still More Important by LoneWolf15, 731 days ago
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Another way to look at it is, would you rather have 1 GB of DDR3 or 2 GB of DDR2? They cost roughly the same.


Another way to look at it is, would you rather have 4GB of high-performance DDR2 for $150 (or cheaper, my 4GB of Crucial Ballistix cost me $140 this summer and is cheaper yet now), or 2GB of DDR3 for $200?

The industry must really love folks like you, who buy into the marketing hype. DDR2 is far from inferior, or Intel wouldn't have been using it all this time, and saying your system will be "forever degraded" is ridiculous tripe.

DDR3 has more bandwidth, but isn't necessarily "faster" as it is higher latency. That $150 DDR2 I mentioned has a CAS latency of 4; the $200 2GB DDR3 has a CAS latency of 7. DDR3 will only be attractive once it gains market share, lowering its price. What with enough P35 boards and some X38 boards still supporting DDR2, there is no reason to switch.

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RE: GPU Still More Important by TA152H, 731 days ago
DDR3 is faster, if you can't accept that much, you aren't worth arguing with. DDR2 is inferior, but it's cheaper.

DDR2 was not inferior until DDR3 came out. Inferior is a relative term, there has to be something better. Is English not your first language?

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RE: GPU Still More Important by natebsi, 731 days ago
Sheesh. Personal attack much?

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