Socket: FM2+

The new Kaveri processors are built to use the sort-of new FM2+ socket based motherboards. These motherboards fit both FM2+ and FM2 APUs, and thus have been on the market for a good number of months already. However the boards currently on the market may require a BIOS update, and e-tailers shipping motherboards out today may still have the older not-updated revisions in stock, so it is worth confirming that the motherboard you order is updated.

AMD’s generational split on Kaveri is indicative of market pressure and AMD’s history – users like either the processor or the motherboard to be forwards or backwards compatible in terms of compliance. In this case the following table applies:

Socket Compatibility Chart
  Will Work in FM2 Will Work in FM2+
Richland Yes Yes
Kaveri No Yes

As Kaveri comes with two extra pins that are blocked off with older FM2 motherboards, they are not compatible.

For our testing today, we had sourced the ASRock FM2A88X Extreme6+ and FM2A88X-ITX+ motherboards, both of which will be the focus for review in due course.

Chipset/FCH: A55, A78, A88X

To add some confusion into the mix, AMD is using a mixture of old and new chipsets on FM2+. Kaveri will support the A55, A78 and A88X chipset based motherboards, but not the A75 chipset that was used for Llano/FM1 motherboards. Perhaps more confusing is that while the old Richland APUs will be able to be used on FM2+ with A88X, the older FM2 motherboards will not come with A88X. How about a table to make it clearer:

Chipset Compatibility Chart
  Will Work with
Llano APUs
Will Work with
Trinity &
Richland APUs
Will Work with
Kaveri APUs
A55 + FM1 Yes No No
A55 + FM2 No Yes No
A55 + FM2+ No Yes Yes
A75 + FM1 Yes No No
A75 + FM2 No Yes No
A78 + FM2+ No Yes Yes
A85X + FM2 No Yes No
A88X + FM2+ No Yes Yes

Though even a table doesn't make the compatibility matrix crystal-clear, it does help to make sense of what users can expect for chipset and sock compatibility. Basically, any A88X motherboard you buy will fit the Kaveri APU. For A78, we are currently under the impression that these will be FM2+ only as well, just do not get confused with older ‘AMD 780L’ Northbridge chipsets that were advertised with A78 in the motherboard name that used the AM3 socket. A55 is almost a free-for-all, with FM1 and FM2 motherboards using it.

As for the differences between the older A85X and A88X chipsets, there are only a few to speak of. Support for PCIe 3.0 is the big one, with any FM2+ and A88X motherboard and Kaveri APU taking full advantage of PCIe 3.0 in all its glory, either as an x16 slot or an x8/x8. A88X still has eight 6 Gbps ports and four USB 3.0 ports native, as well as supporting RAID 0, 1, 5 and 10. The other only upgrade to note is the move to XHCI 1.0.

Chipset Comparison
  A55 A75 A78 A85X A88X
Chipsets FM1
FM2
FM2+
FM1
FM2
FM2+ FM2 FM2+
PCIe Generation 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 3.0
PCIe Lane Allocation 1x16 1x16 or 2x8 1x16 1x16 or 2x8 1x16 or 2x8
SATA 6/3 Gbps 0 + 6 6 + 0 6 + 0 (?) 8 + 0 8 + 0
USB Ports (3/2/1.1) 0 + 14 + 2 4 + 10 + 2 4 + 10 + 2 (?) 4 + 10 + 2 4 + 10 + 2
RAID 0, 1, 10 0. 1, 5, 10 0. 1, 5, 10 0. 1, 5, 10 0. 1, 5, 10
TDP 7.6 W 7.8 W 7.8 W ? 7.8 W 7.8 W ?

Unusually for AMD, little information about chipset evolution was provided through the normal channels.

What about FX CPUs, or Server CPUs?

Leaked roadmaps have not been kind to AMD’s FX range. The ‘king’ of the Vishera family of FX CPUs, the quad-module eight-thread FX-9590, looks like it will be the king of the FX line for a little while longer, as shown in this roadmap:

As you might imagine, there is no public comment from AMD about the lack of new FX CPUs with Steamroller cores coming soon.

Depending on which roadmap you look at, AMD’s server offerings are mixed. Some report that During 2014 we will see the launch of “Warsaw” CPUs featuring 12-16 Piledriver cores, and there is no current mention of high-end Steamroller based Opterons at all. The official roadmap from AMD from June shows this, including their ARM server discussion, but a recently leaked roadmap shows that Steamroller will appear in their 1P compute clusters, followed by Excavator in 2015, but Piledriver based 12-16 thread machines will stay at the top of the pile.

 

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  • Calinou__ - Saturday, January 25, 2014 - link

    The consoles use lower level APIs, way more optimized.
  • dsmogor - Friday, January 24, 2014 - link

    From a distance the Amd architecture actually looks a lot like PS3 Cell SOC: number of CPU cores + VLIV modules that access the same bus and memory. If the GPU cores have some sort of manageable local memory (dunno) I clearly see why Sony have choosen that for their next gen.
  • Houdhaifa - Saturday, January 25, 2014 - link

    nice performance
  • Theyear - Sunday, January 26, 2014 - link

    hi
  • xtremesv - Tuesday, January 28, 2014 - link

    I'd rather give your grandpa a FX-4300 + GT640 GDDR5 roughly for the same price as A10-7850K and even better, for $20 more you ditch the FX-4300 for a FX-8120.
  • thomascheng - Tuesday, January 28, 2014 - link

    You can get the 7850K from Microcenter for 129.00 right now, its only for a limited time. I think I'll bite at the price point.
  • neal.a.nelson - Tuesday, January 28, 2014 - link

    No, that's the 6800K. The 7850K isn't even on the main AMD page.

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  • rrgg - Sunday, February 2, 2014 - link

    Is there a stated release date for the A8-7600 (Kaveri)? I know it was pushed out but to when? Thanks.
  • Novaguy - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - link

    Hmmm, any news about the a8-7600 availability? Or mobile parts?

    What I am really curious about is the performance of a kaveri a8 + r9-290m (aka 7970m/8970m rebadge) in a laptop (such as the msi model that was reviewed on anandtech). Will that get of the frame throttling that was going on in that msi laptop?
  • DoctorBurp - Thursday, February 20, 2014 - link

    It is interesting to see how computers involved into having two “brains”: The CPU which works sequentially and is generally better with small amount of data, and the GPU which works parallel and is generally better with large amount of data.

    Us humans also tend to have two ways of thinking, and to demonstrate it let us talk about decisions making. When dealing with small amount of information we tend to take the sequential route: We investigate, write notes , explorer in depth and operate in a step by step manner it order to make the right choice. However when dealing with large amount of information it is impossible to remember each and every detail and investigating turns to be a tedious work. This is when we turn to our gut feeling, our intuition, and at the end make a decision because it “feels right”. This feeling is a result of a processing which took place backstage in areas like our sub subconscious, which as far as we know it works in a parallel way.

    Since computers have been invented by humans, and for the most part reflect the way WE think, it is not surprising to find these similarities. I for instance find it fascinating and funny at the same time :) Maybe by trying to imitate the way we think we will end up understanding our self better…

    Just thought of sharing it with you all.

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