SilverStone Precision PS07: Temjin For Less?
by Dustin Sklavos on January 3, 2012 12:20 AM EST- Posted in
- Cases/Cooling/PSUs
- SilverStone
- MicroATX
- Mini-Tower
Conclusion: Is It Worth the Difference?
With the SilverStone Precision PS07, I'm having a difficult time determining whether or not it's worth saving the $20 over their already awesome Temjin TJ08-E. The TJ08-E already ranks as one of my favorite enclosures of the year and probably my favorite Micro-ATX enclosure, so why wouldn't I heartily endorse making that same great internal design more readily available by producing a less expensive version?
Thermally and acoustically, SilverStone's design is fantastic. Airflow is brilliantly handled, and I've actually assembled the TJ08-E with a tower cooler in a build for a friend. The results there were just as impressive, with the overclocked i5-2500K running coolly and quietly. If it has a flaw, it's probably GPU cooling. Thermals on the GTX 580 just weren't that good, but a more reasonable card (like a GeForce GTX 560 Ti or AMD Radeon HD 6870) would probably be right at home. Either way, this is definitely a capable mATX enclosure.
The problem is that I'm just not sure the PS07 is worth the savings. Keeping stray cables out of the 120mm fans is a minor problem, but the fans themselves actually feel a lot cheaper, and over testing one developed a minor rattle. If you're comfortable replacing the fans the PS07 is probably great, but the problem there is that your end cost starts getting close enough to the Temjin that there's not much point in the initial savings unless you already have the fans.
Ultimately, my problem is SilverStone's problem. In a vacuum the Precision PS07 is a fantastic case, absolutely worthy of consideration for your next Micro-ATX build. Yet the Temjin TJ08-E it's based on is still around, and while the Temjin is $20 extra, it also features a fan controller for the single 180mm intake fan, a classier aluminum bezel, and an improved noise character. It's up to you to decide whether you think the PS07 is worth the savings; I don't think so, but I wouldn't fault anyone who did.
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MadMan007 - Tuesday, January 3, 2012 - link
1) Noise levels versus the TJ08-E without a GPU (and especially a top of the like one like the GTX580) may be more representative of the difference between these cases - namely the open fan front panel on the TJ08-E versus the P180-like door and side intakes on the PS07.The noise level of the former changes very little with the GPU, the latter changes quite a bit. This tells me the GPU has more influence on the sound level of the PS07 making it a good candidate for quieter computing for those not looking to use monster GPUs or who might use quieter or even passive GPUs.
2) A reversal in the PSU type recommendation versus the TJ08-E. In the TJ08-E review you said "I also strongly suggest builders use modular power supplies wherever possible and here it might actually be a requirement. There's clearance behind the tray for routing cables, but unfortunately routing everything was just a little bit too fraught, and so our end testing build winds up feeling more cluttered than I'd like and I'm sure more than SilverStone would prefer." but in this review you say to avoid modular PSUs and that there is good space behind the motherboard tray for routing cables.
So which is it? I can see how a modular PSU might actually be worse when it comes to clearance for the optical drive because of modular connectors adding length, but the complete opposite statements and recommendation has me confused. Can you comment please?
Brutalizer - Tuesday, January 3, 2012 - link
Micro-ATX bears to many compromises. I dont want to compromise. I need a ATX case. But the smallest possible ATX case, with just room for a few disks and a decent gaming graphics card. Todays disks are so large, 4TB that you dont need raid anymore. You also dont need the biggest gaming card to get decent performance.MicroATX does not have many expansion ports enough.
What is the smallest ATX case?
aesnt - Tuesday, January 3, 2012 - link
This one's a decent size full ATX tower, but won't fit longer graphics cards:COOLER MASTER Elite 360
17.30" x 5.80" x 14.20" from Newegg
Death666Angel - Tuesday, January 3, 2012 - link
What do you mean by expansion ports? Do you mean PCIe slots? Or SATA/USB? I can find enough mATX boards with 6 or 7 SATA ports, 16 USB ports and SLI/CF capability. Unless you really need 7 PCI(e) slots, I don't see what advantage ATX has for you :-).As for small ATX cases, the smallest I see unfortunately come from mediocre brands:
http://geizhals.de/?cat=gehatx&xf=534_ATX~550_...
and a lot of them get their smallish volume from being quite thin, so you would run into issues with large CPU heatsinks.
Brutalizer - Wednesday, January 4, 2012 - link
I am talking about at 4-5 PCIe slots or so. The mini/micro ITX cases I have seen, have room for 2-3 PCIe slots.I also suspect that when using such a small mobo and case, I must compromise. For instance, I can not any longer buy standard cpu coolers, nor power supplies. I must buy much smaller ones, costing more, and restricting the hardware I can use.
If you know of a small micro/mini ITX with Xeon cpus, ECC RAM, and 4-5 PCIe slots, and a decent graphics card - then I am happy to read more about that model.
somedude1234 - Wednesday, January 4, 2012 - link
Nearly every uATX board I've seen has 4 PCIe slots. MiniITX limits you to a single PCIe slot. Every uATX case I've seen also has room to support a motherboard with 4 PCIe slots. Now, if you're going to be installing a double-width GPU, then you're going to burn two of your slots.If you're looking for a great uATX board for a Xeon server, the SuperMicro X9SCM-F is a good choice. It's based around the C204 chipset for SB Xeons, so you get ECC support. You'll get two PCIe 2.0 x8 and two PCIe 2.0 x4 slots (four total). The "-F" version of the board also gives you an on-board BMC with full IPMI 2.0 support.
For uATX cases, they pretty much all take a standard PSU and offer four PCIe slots, the Antec NSK3480 is a nice choice.
Death666Angel - Friday, January 6, 2012 - link
There is mini ITX (mITX) and then there is micro ATX (mATX/yATX since there is no easy way to type the greek letter on a normal keyboard).mATX mainboards can have 4 PCI(e) slots. If you need 4, you can buy that. If you need 5, you can't.
mATX has no compromises when it comes to PSUs or CPU heatsinks, at least none that are special to it and do not pertain to smaller ATX cases as well. The TJ08-E can fit 180mm PSUs if you can cut off some space from the ODDs (but 160mm, even high powered ones for 2-3 graphics cards do not cost more! :D) and it has enough room to cool any CPU (even overclocked) quite nicely and silently.
Supermicro has a few mATX C204 Xeon Mainboards with 4 PCIe x8 slots. But mainboards do not come with graphics cards.
corrion - Tuesday, January 3, 2012 - link
Take a look at the Antec Solo II, sounds like it's right up your alley.BernardP - Tuesday, January 3, 2012 - link
The lenght of the PS07 is .6 inch more than the TJ08-EDeath666Angel - Tuesday, January 3, 2012 - link
I have the TJ08-E since Christmas and am thoroughly enjoying it!This redesign looks very interesting, it opens up the possibility of getting high end 120mm fans, because 180mm fans are not so wide spread and they seem to have varying degrees of engine noise and other annoying small defects that result in additional noises according to a forum I visit. Although one 180mm can move more air at lower noise in theory.
It also changes support from 200mm radiator to 240mm radiator, again, opening up competition.
The missing external 3.5" bay won't be an issue I wager. I have thought about sticking a card reader in there, but nothing that goes in there will be a big deal if it's missing I think. 2 external 5.25" bay already provide plenty of options, only people with the need to copy DVDs on the fly seem to be stuck. :-)
$20 can give you an additional few GB of RAM or higher clocked RAM or give you a better custom cooled graphics card or a more silent CPU heatsink. If you are on a budget that money can be well spent I think. :-)
On an unrelated note: I would really like to see these gamer (performance) mATX chassis be tested with a more demanding set of components like the regular ATX chassis are. I understand the reason for a standardized test bed and only having 2 instead of 3, but it really is a shame not to be able to compare this or the TJ08-E with bigger chassis. :-)