Conclusion: Two Notebooks Enter, Two Notebooks Leave

I really wish I could come out with a highly positive review for one of these notebooks; unfortunately, too many areas come up short. If you can deal with some of the quirks, both offerings allow you to get a well-equipped gaming notebook for around $1300. That’s a great price point to hit, and it puts these notebooks in the same company as Gateway’s old FX line. Prior to 2008, getting a reasonably equipped gaming notebook usually meant spending well over two grand, and Gateway changed the playing field when they launched the FX P-6831. Sadly, the FX line is no more, though it was long overdue for an aesthetic overhaul so maybe that’s for the best. Today, laptops like the ASUS G-series, Clevo’s notebooks, and MSI’s G-series carry on that legacy, with a good balance of performance and features at reasonable prices. What’s more, I’d say they mostly look better while offering significantly more performance than you’d get from an aging FX notebook. Still, there are areas that need fixing.

Starting with the Clevo, there are two major complaints. First is the keyboard layout—I’d rather have something like Dell’s XPS 15 layout sans 10-key than to have a wrong 10-key crammed into a 15.6” chassis. The other big complaint is the fan noise; I don’t expect a 15.6” gaming notebook to be silent, but it doesn’t have to be loud either and it certainly doesn’t need to oscillate between near silent and 35dB when sitting idle on a desk or table. A steady 33.5dB would be preferable if we just take the mean of the two fan speeds. On the other end of the spectrum, while trying to keep components cool is generally recommended, Clevo could probably back off a touch and let the laptop run at 41dB with slightly higher temperatures under most loads. Fix those two items and get rid of the glossy LCD bezel and the P151HM (or CyberPower’s X6-9300) would be Editors’ Choice material, because the LCD is simply beautiful. I’ve had it sitting side by side with Dell’s XPS 15 and I prefer the Clevo panel (even if I prefer most other design elements on the Dell). Add in Optimus so that users don’t need to abandon battery life in the pursuit of a gaming notebook and this could even reach the Gold level.

MSI has very different issues. The cooling works well, and the keyboard is actually a substantial improvement from when I used the old GX640. If it had backlighting it would be even better; overall, I’d still take the Dell XPS 15 keyboard, because I use the Home/End keys all the time. I can live without a 10-key, personally, especially on a 15.6” chassis; I can’t get used to pressing Fn+PgUp, particularly when you have to go to the very top-right area of the keyboard with your right hand. If the keyboard layout were the worst of its problems, the GT680R would be in good shape, but I’ve got a laundry list of things that could use fixing. Worse than the keyboard for me is the touchpad, with no scrolling gestures, but you’d want a real mouse for playing games anyway.

It’s the overall design aesthetic that really nixes the GT680R, because glossy plastic used in this manner is something that should have gone out of fashion three years ago. It’s as if MSI took the old ASUS G50V, tweaked the design, and upgraded components, not realizing that most people didn’t particularly like that design in the first place. And the final straw for me is the low quality LCD; Clevo manages to pack in a better panel for roughly the same price, and I’d happily pay $100 more to upgrade from the MSI LCD to the Clevo LCD. Where MSI does well is in performance and sound quality, with very good gaming performance, the potential to use an SSD+HDD setup, and speakers that can rival the XPS 15 (depending on personal preference). It’s not a bad notebook overall, and some people will probably like the design a lot more than I do, but I wouldn’t want to spend more than $1200 for this particular notebook.

Because we’ve had several notebooks come through with roughly the same specs and performance, we end up with quite a few comparison points. The Clevo P151HM’s build quality may not be the greatest, but it’s not as bad as it could be. I prefer the rubberized texture on the P150HM, but the price premium for that upgrade is too high so the P151HM is a fair compromise. Both the P150HM and P151HM have an awesome matte 1080p LCD that’s my favorite current notebook display, which almost makes up for the other complaints I have. The MSI GT680R has a similar price (at least if you go with the CyberPower X6-9400), but you downgrade the LCD and chassis, upgrade the speakers, and add in a second hard drive bay. Again, pricing is fair for the performance you get, but since we’re not talking about a girlfriend I don’t think it’s shallow to focus a lot more on the physical appearance. If I had to choose between the P151HM and the GT680R, I’d live with the keyboard and noise and go for the Clevo/X6-9300, but it’s not a decisive victory.

Elsewhere, Dell has the XPS 15 L502x with an upgraded 1080p LCD and a few other extras occupying the same ~$1300 price point. That will get you great sound, a great display (second only to the P150HM panel in consumer notebooks), and a chassis that’s wonderfully devoid of glossy plastic. You also get much better battery life but only half the GPU performance, so it’s not all roses. For anything other than gaming, the XPS 15 is my current pick for a good 15.6” laptop. Finally, we already reviewed the ASUS G73SW with the same 2630QM and GTX 460M, but that’s a larger chassis and unfortunately we haven’t been able to get the G53SW in for review yet. Without hands on time, we don’t know what LCD ASUS is using, and we don’t know if there are any other serious problems. I did see a G53SW pre-production notebook at CES and the LCD looked decent, but that was pre-production and the G53JW apparently used the same LCD as the MSI (judging by at least one review). The G53SW also supports a second HDD like the MSI, and the overall aesthetic is superior, but I’m not sure it’s worth the $150 price premium.

So once again, what I’m personally looking for in a quality 15.6” gaming notebook is something that doesn’t exist just yet. Give me the LCD in the P151HM, a chassis and build quality like the Dell Latitude E6520 or ThinkPad T510—and toss in a backlit keyboard—speakers that sound like the Dell XPS 15, and a GPU like the GTX 460M but with Optimus enabled. I would be willing to settle for a slightly slower GPU like the GT 555M, but since I’m wishing for something that doesn’t exist we might as well go whole hog. Then we just need someone to put all of those features and components together and keep the price under $1500—which doesn’t seem likely to happen, given the prices on moderately specced Latitude and ThinkPad laptops. Instead, we have quite a few options that all offer parts of the whole, but no one has yet put together a modern Sandy Bridge laptop that nails every area.

LCDs, Temperatures, and Noise
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  • JarredWalton - Saturday, May 14, 2011 - link

    Yeah, the price is the big sticking point, plus I'd still rather have a GeForce 460M + Optimus instead of the Quadro 2000M. I'm not sure why NVIDIA doesn't use GDDR5 for the Quadro 2000M, since that's the only major bottleneck it has. Maybe VRAM bandwidth isn't that critical for Quadro's normal use cases?
  • chrnochime - Saturday, May 14, 2011 - link

    You can't have everything on your laundry list of requirements and still want them to charge the same amount of money as these ones you're offering. Pony up the money or put up with the compromises.
  • chrnochime - Saturday, May 14, 2011 - link

    Dammit I mean "these ones you're reviewing."
  • JarredWalton - Saturday, May 14, 2011 - link

    Take the P151HM, which you can get as configured for about $1300. Now add in Optimus and spend $200 improving the keyboard and chassis. Are you saying that's not possible? Because $200 would go a long way towards fixing the few complaints I had with that design -- I figure $50 for a new keyboard layout with backlighting, and the remaining $150 can be put towards a magnesium alloy chassis. Add in maybe $25 extra to do Optimus (there's no additional hardware required, just enable the feature in the BIOS AFAIK) and you'd have my $1500 "dream" laptop.

    The fact that Lenovo's W520 can be purchased on sale for $1500 with nearly everything in my list proves it can be done--and Lenovo would still make money if they sold every W520 at that price, but they want to make more money.
  • DanNeely - Saturday, May 14, 2011 - link

    I heard about them a few years ago with the 1st generation MSI wind netbooks. The reason they have the retarded tap the corner to scroll instead of the more common swipe the edge behavior is that Synaptics has a patent on the latter. I don't know if they refuse to license it or if Sentelic is just too cheap; although the fact that Synaptic has a stranglehold on the touchpad market makes me suspect the former.
  • yyrkoon - Saturday, May 14, 2011 - link

    Jarred, I am very glad you seemed to take to heart one of the points I made in my last bitch session of a laptop review. Well, at least you seemed to mirror one of my beliefs( in text ).

    Still, I think you would do very well, to educate your readers further. At first, I thought about Anand's comprehensive SSD write up in this context, but I am not sure how that might work in this case. On another semi related point. I still see no mention of driver support. This is very important.

    Passed that, I think most readers understand how you feel about certain aspect of different laptops. Personally though, I would rather not read two or more sentences about how you feel about black glossy plastic. In my case, it is a waste of your time to elaborate any further passed " it has a black glossy shell" or whatever. I do not like black glossy plastic either. but guess what ? My own personal laptop is gloss black . . . We never get exactly what we want.

    A companies case build policies to me, is something you should be taking up with them, and not us. Not to mention that this kind of "thought" in a review can be construed as being biased against the company. Whether truly fact, or not. Now, if the case felt flimsy, or like the screen might snap off in a short period of time of use . . .then sure thats something we should know.

    I can say that my personal use case for a laptop is completely different from yours most of the time. Which in of its self is something to consider. For you, and myself both. This is to say, several of the things that are important to you, are not important to me. Maybe there is some way to format different aspects in a way, where readers can easily take notice, and just skip altogether ? Just a thought. E.g. keyboard, and trackpad functionality are nearly irrelevant. For me, if they work, that is good enough. If I need to do any serious typing, or have need for accurate cursor placement, I *will* use external input devices. No mater where I am, or where I am going with my laptop.

    Anyhow, I felt like this was a decent review, although I care about neither product. I have always liked your reviews Jarred, because for the most part I feel when you review a product you are mostly thorough. Take my niggles for what they're worth, but do please seriously consider adding in driver support/stability comments. I am sure many readers of yours would appreciate that.
  • JarredWalton - Saturday, May 14, 2011 - link

    Driver support is generally fine on any NVIDIA, AMD, or Intel graphics card these days. The reference drivers from all three companies work with the vast majority of notebooks. If there's a problem (e.g. Toshiba opting out of AMD's mobile driver program), I'll make a note of it, but otherwise I haven't seen anything with respect to drivers that concerns me. Granted, if you want to be able to go to, say, MSI and grab all the latest drivers, that might be a bigger problem. I usually go directly to the component manufacturer, so NVIDIA, AMD, Intel, Realtek, etc. sites are where I check. Not sure if that answers your question -- is there something specific you want me to comment on? Stability, incidentally, was top notch on both notebooks, with no crashes or unexpected reboots.
  • bhima - Saturday, May 14, 2011 - link

    Well balanced review overall. I decided to pick up a clevo based laptop as well, but one with Optimus. The main reason I picked a clevo over the Dell was because I could configure the clevo with a 96% RGB color gamut matte screen (the exact same one that is offered as an upgrade to the W series ThinkPads). Dell glossy screens have a habit of being really "glossy" and I just can't take it anymore. Just like glossy plastic is going out of style, I hope glossy screens for laptops do as well.
  • Hrel - Sunday, May 15, 2011 - link

    I agree with your summation. The Clevo seems like the best of the offerings but has flaws I don't want to live with. I really really wish you could get the G53SW in for review, as as long as the screen is good I'd take it. I agree with your wish for a laptop that doesn't exist too; except I don't care much about the speakers. I'd rather the price not get over 1200 than have uber speakers inside my laptop. If I really care I'll use headsets or external speakers or Logitech's clip on speaker. I could live with the 555M GPU as well, as long as it doesn't cost more than 1200. Laptop guys, DO NOT include Blu Ray; that's literally worth nothing to me. Discs are so last decade.

    Since I'm wishing, Asus, or whoever, put your chassis on cyberpower.com as a whitebox or at the very least with the option to not include the OS. I have my own thanks.
  • Hrel - Sunday, May 15, 2011 - link

    Id like to see a review of the gt540 1080p laptop cyberpower has now.

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