10.3: Stereo Driver Hooks & Final Thoughts

The last feature making its appearance in next month’s Catalyst 10.3 drivers will be the inclusion of some underlying hooks in the drivers for 3rd party 3D display hardware. AMD hasn’t been completely ignoring NVIDIA’s success with 3DVision, and while they’re not getting directly in to the 3D arena like NVIDIA has, they’re going to be providing the tools for 3rd parties to get in if they want to.

The big change here is that they’re going to provide driver hooks for 3rd party products to use to improve and simplify the operation of those products. One example AMD is throwing out is that their drivers will now be able to do quad buffering so that 3D products can double-buffer each eye separately. These hooks will also allow the hardware to output stereo images at 120Hz similar to how NVIDIA implements 3DVision, so that each eye can be offered images at 60Hz without needing to use a more esoteric solution such as iZ3D’s double-DVI setup.

Our expectation here is that with these new hooks a 3rd party will offer a 3DVision-like kit utilizing shutter glasses and a 120Hz monitor, although the quad buffer changes in particular are rather generic and can be used (not to mention necessary ) for any other form of 3D technology that takes off. Nothing has been announced yet, but it’s likely only a matter of time.

Final Thoughts

Although AMD is always working on the Catalyst drivers, major updates tend to come in spurts and this is a prime example of that case. With the 10.2 and 10.3 releases we are seeing the first post-launch driver drop for the Radeon 5000 series. Some of the things we’re seeing today such as Catalyst profiles and fully-functional Ultra Low Power State are things we would have liked to see at the 5000 series launch, while other things such as the new Eyefinity tweaks are going to be a nice addition to the existing capabilities of the hardware.

For the Catalyst profiles and Mobility driver support in particular, it’s going to be worth keeping an eye on how well AMD does in implementing these things. Profile support is simply a matter of being timely with new game releases, although we’re still going to ask for the ability to write our own profiles anyhow. As for the Mobility driver program, moving from an opt-in to an opt-out model should prove to make the program much more successful than AMD’s previous effort, but the one remaining wildcard is what OEMs have opted-out of the program, and with what products. AMD is only expecting business products to be opted-out, but as far as we know, any OEM can opt-out for any reason, so there’s still a remote chance of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

There’s also one thing we were hoping to see in the 10.2/10.3 drivers which has not come to pass, and that’s OpenCL support. AMD is continuing to only provide OpenCL runtime functionality through the installation of the Stream SDK, which means even though AMD’s 4000 and 5000 series hardware is capable of OpenCL, none of those cards can run those programs out of the box. AMD’s current reason is that they don’t want to expand the size of their drivers any further (they’re currently 123MB for the 10.3 betas) which is a valid concern looking at the size of their OpenCL runtime, but at the same time we can’t imagine this is good for OpenCL adoption in the long-run.

Who is going to develop applications using OpenCL if half your user base (not counting Intel IGP users) can’t run your application out of the box? Even worse, you currently need to sign up for an AMD Developer Central account before you can download the Stream SDK in order to get the runtime - and what user is going to do that? NVIDIA is way ahead of AMD here, having shipped OpenCL support in their drivers for several months now, and they’ve been able to do so while keeping their drivers at about the same size as AMD’s (let’s not forget the PhysX runtime either). Unless AMD expects everyone to go the DirectCompute route (in which case we can kiss cross-platform GPGPU usage goodbye) AMD’s GPGPU efforts are currently stuck in place.

Finally, from a testing perspective the 10.3 drivers are still in beta, but much like the Catalyst 9.12 hotfix was to the 10.2 driver launching today, the 10.3 driver set we’re working with has been shaping up rather well. AMD hasn’t told us when they’ll be launching besides the fact that it will be in March, but based on the drivers we’re seeing we wouldn’t be surprised if it was an early launch rather than a mid-month or later launch as AMD is common for AMD.

10.3: AMD’s New Mobility Driver Program
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  • Blahman - Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - link

    From what I've read, the i5 version of the HP Envy 15 does have switchable graphics.
  • Aircraft123 - Thursday, February 18, 2010 - link

    no the HP Envy 15 does not have switchable graphics. Something to do with the HM55 vs PM55 chipset (one supports it one doesn't).

    I know it won't b/c I have one.
  • tntomek - Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - link

    Sadly it does not. HP originally had rumors about this but have since turned out to be false.
  • FlyTexas - Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - link

    AMD driver quality is one reason why my gaming rig continues to have a nVidia card in it. I have ATI cards in my secondary machines, but don't play games on them. nVidia simply makes better drivers than AMD does.
  • Tempered81 - Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - link

    Hi Ryan,

    Nice article on the new drivers. Looking forward to 10.3 bezel management.

    I really wanted to point out that your Farcry2 results in the 5970 review were maxed at 75 because of Vsync & not CPU limit.
  • ATWindsor - Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - link

    Have they fixed the audio-droput-bug over HDMI? THat is the most critical bug on the 5-series drivers today IMHO.
  • n00bxqb - Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - link

    Really ? Worse than the Adobe Flash crash bug ?
  • ATWindsor - Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - link

    Well, I guess its a matter of perspective, that at least is downgradable, audio-dropouts are not, at least not guaranteed. Not having useful sound is a showstopper if you use hdmu.
  • velis - Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - link

    While ATI drivers are steadily improving, they still lack a lot in comparison to Nvidia's. AMD really should try harder with this.

    Currently, these are the absolute musts IMHO:
    1. OpenCL drivers!!!! Come on AMD. NV is beating your sorry ass for years now. First they had cuda, you had nothing. Now they also have OpenCL and you still have nothing. Do something about this already.
    2. Per game (application) quality settings in CCC (might even have that, but I just can't find them) + editable CF profiles. It's not like it's hard to do, right?
    3. OpenCL drivers!!!
    4. A tree view of all available options in CCC. There used to be a tree view, now there isn't any more. It's ridiculous how many clicks it takes to set one preference when all the groups could be plainly listed on the left side of CCC window.
    5. OpenCL drivers.
    6. What's with the bloat? Reduce drivers size and CCC memory footprint. Especially CCC. It's just a few dialogs bunched together. Why on earth does it have to use a gazillion MB of my RAM?
    7. Did I mention OpenCL drivers?
  • leexgx - Thursday, February 18, 2010 - link

    i love them to bring back Tree view i really hate CCC when under vista or 7 but they still do tree view for XP, so why cant they make an classic mode that every one wants to use

    OpenCL must be in the drivers as its not at the moment, Direct compute, CUDA, Physx, and Open CL you get when your with Nvidia Drivers, ATI need to catch up

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