Phenom II Performance System

The fully decked out Phenom II includes the best motherboard tested so far in our lab for the AM2+/AM3 CPUs. Because the top Phenom II is DDR2-only the motherboard is by necessity a DDR2 board. The Phenom II 940 and 920 will be phased out by the end of 2009 and replaced with the new 945 and 925, which support either DDR3 or DDR2 like the most recent Phenom II CPUs. The 945/925 are expected to begin shipping in April.

The 940/920 still outperform the Phenom II 810 even though the newer Phenom II features four cores like the older 940/920. At 2.6GHz the 810 is slower than the 940/920, and the multiplier is locked where the 940 BE features an unlocked multiplier. In addition, the L3 cache on the 810 is 4MB where the 940/920 is 6MB. While the 810 is an excellent CPU, it really doesn't challenge the 940/920 for the performance crown. The advantage of the 810 is the dual DDR2/DDR3 memory controller. Frankly, we have yet to see a real performance advantage for DDR3 memory on the Phenom II so there was no real reason not to choose the current 940 for the Phenom II Performance system.

The new 945/925 will also be 6MB L3 cache, and the HT or uncore speed will be 2.0GHz instead of the 940/920 speed of 1.8GHz. The real impact of this is very small, but when the 945/925 enter the pipeline they will provide more options at the top of the Phenom II line. This will also likely create some bargain prices for the 940 and 920 processors that remain in the market after the 945/925 introduction.

Anand is completing testing for a massive SSD roundup that will be published soon. There are new performance and value leaders that will be revealed in that roundup, and we will definitely be recommending SSD drives and SSD RAID boot arrays in future System Buyers' Guides. For now, we are holding off on any recommendations pending final testing. Besides, you can easily add an SSD down the road if the need arises.

While the Phenom II 940 is definitely the most powerful AMD processor yet released it is not really a competitor to today's top Intel Core i7 processors. However, as has been said in every recent review of Phenom II, it definitely competes well with Intel's Core 2 architecture which means it competes with Intel CPUs through the $290 upper midrange price point. Since the processor is upper midrange, the components selected are top-performing for their price but not always the best you can buy. You could easily extend the Phenom II Performance system to a 30" monitor and a more powerful CrossFire or SLI graphics system. AMD fans who are avid gamers may choose that route, but we kept the selections more in line with the midrange price and performance of the Phenom II. For the money the Performance Phenom II system is a heck of a system, as we hope you will agree.

Phenom II Performance System
Hardware Component Price
Processor AMD Phenom II X4 940 BE
(3.0GHzx4 4x512KB L2, 6MB L3 Cache)
$225
Cooling Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme $65
Video MSI R4870-T2D1G Radeon HD 4870 1GB ($25 Rebate) $195
Motherboard ASUS M4A79 Deluxe $200
Memory G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR2 1100 (PC2 8800) - x2 8GB $154
SSD To Be Determined -
Hard Drive Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s $130
Optical Drive LG 6X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 6X Blu-ray DVD-ROM SATA Internal Blu-ray Burner GGW-H20LK $200
Optical Drive Samsung 22X DVDRW/DL SH-S202G $24
Audio On Board -
Case Antec P182 $130
Power Supply Corsair CMPSU-750TX 750W SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified ($25 Rebate) $90
Base System Total $1413
Display BenQ E2400HD Glossy Black 24" 5ms/2ms(GTG) HDMI Full 1080P Widescreen (1920x1080) ($20 Rebate) $280
Speakers Logitech G51 505 watts 5.1 Surround Sound Speakers $158
Keyboard Logitech G15 $90
Mouse Logitech G5 7 Buttons/1 Wheel USB Laser Mouse $50
Operating System Microsoft Vista Home Premium OEM $99
Complete System Price $2090

You can read our review of the Phenom II X4 and the Phenom II X4 810 & X3 720 for additional information. The Phenom II 940 X4 at 3.0GHz is the fastest of the currently shipping AMD Phenom II processors. The Phenom II is very similar in L2/L3 cache configuration to the recently introduced Intel Core i7. Performance is also comparable to the best Intel Core 2 chips. As the first 45nm AMD processors, the Phenom II also overclocks very well, finally approaching the overclocking levels enjoyed by Intel since the introduction of the Core 2 Duo.

 

We've paired the Phenom II 940 with the superb ASUS M4A79 Deluxe. At $200 the ASUS is not cheap or even a great value for a 790FX/SB750 setup, but it is the most loaded, best performing, and most overclockable AMD board we have used this year. ASUS loads the board with Gigabit LAN, IEEE 1394 support, four PCI-E x16 slots (dual x16, tri x16/x8/x8, or quad x8), two PCI slots, an eSATA port, and six 3Gb/s SATA ports featuring RAID 0/1/5/10. The M4A79 Deluxe works very well with Phenom II and end-users will not be disappointed in performance or overclocking capabilities. Memory is DDR2 as AM3 DDR3 boards are just now entering the market. Until a DDR3 board dethrones the M4A79 Deluxe it is the top board for a top Phenom II.

 

A number of old and new coolers work well on AM2+/AM3 processors, but the cooler choice for the Performance Phenom II is still the Thermalright Ultra-120 eXtreme. This is basically the top performing Thermalright Ultra-120 eXtreme from our Core 2 tests. Thermalright has been changing the packaging and names of their Ultra-120 coolers so you may have to look closely at the new packages and descriptions to make sure you are getting the Ultra-120 eXtreme. The original Ultra-120 also performs very well with the Phenom II processors and will save you about $15 to $20 if you are stretching a budget.

 

Memory is very cheap today, so the Performance Phenom II is paired with two 4GB kits for a total of 8GB. You may be wondering why we have chosen 8GB of G.Skill DDR2-1100 when AMD warns that the maximum speed for 4 DIMMs is DDR2-800. That warning is certainly true on lower end boards, but we have found the ASUS M4A79 Deluxe paired with quality memory can run 4x2GB at DDR2-1066 without any trouble. The 1100 speed also gives some headroom should you decide to overclock this unlocked Black Edition Phenom II 940.

 

For the video card we have selected the MSI R4870-T2D1G Radeon HD 4870 1GB. As pointed out in the recent Multi-GPU comparison, the 4870 1GB provides optimum performance on a 1080p monitor such as the BenQ 24" chosen in this system. Higher spec graphics and high-end CrossFire or SLI really require a 30" display (2560x1600) to see the performance improvements they bring to the system. The MSI is a well-regarded card that is just $195 after the current $25 rebate. The 4870 1GB is a very popular card because it matches well with the monitors most users actually own and buy. It is available from MSI, Diamond, ASUS, HIS, Power Color, and others so you can shop for the best buy.

 

The hard drive used in the Performance Phenom II system is the Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB (1000GB) with true 7200RPM speed and a 32MB cache. The cheaper Western Digital drives use a "variable speed" 5400-7200RPM spindle that performs well and is very quiet, but the 7200RPM drives are a bit faster.

 

We feel the optical drive for the Phenom II Performance system needs to both play Blu-Ray disks and burn 25GB/50GB Blu-Ray discs. We have upgraded the optical drive to the flexible LG GGW-H20LK burner, which is now selling for just $200 and has the ability to read and write Blu-Ray disks. It also can burn DVDs at 16x speed in single or dual-layer formats. A DVD burner is also included to simplify disk archiving and backup tasks. Two optical drives can be very handy in any system.

 

The speakers have been upgraded to the Logitech G51 155W RMS 5.1 surround sound speakers. The G51 system works well with the ASUS onboard Realtek ALC1200 audio. They also perform well with the addition of sound card if you decide sound needs an upgrade. The $40 rebate is gone for the G51 system, but they are still a very good value in a powered speaker system.

 

The LCD display resolution is the same 1080p HD resolution chosen for the Phenom II overclocking systems. The size of the monitor is now 24" so everything on screen is just a little larger. The BenQ E2400HD 24" provides inputs for whatever graphics adapter you may need with HDMI, DVI, and an analog VGA port. Panel speed is rated at an incredible 2ms, but we have found most current LCD panels perform similarly and the speed rating does not really guarantee very much. The BenQ monitor provides a sharp image, good colors, and fast panel speed at a very good price of $280. However, there are certainly larger, better, and more expensive panels available. For more information on what matters in a monitor and how to read LCD specifications, take a look at our Holiday 2008 Display Guide.

 

The remaining items are upgrades of the Overclocking System. The keyboard and mouse have been upgraded to high performance choices in the Logitech G5 USB laser mouse and the Logitech G15 precision control keyboard. If those choices are not important to you, the substitution of a Microsoft wired OEM keyboard and optical mouse for $16 could save you $133 on the system price. Alternately, the drop back to the Logitech G11 keyboard and MX518 8-button optical mouse could save you $50 off the performance choices with little compromise in system performance.

 

Phenom II Overclocking Final Words
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  • MadMan007 - Wednesday, March 4, 2009 - link

    1080p monitor? Fail. We need to discourage 16:9 monitors.
  • v12v12 - Wednesday, March 4, 2009 - link

    HAHA completely agreed on that point... When will people get that 16:9 offers LESS viewable area than the (forced) antiquated 4:3 resolution? Nothing worse than seeing some over priced, LCD on a desk that's as wide as the desk but not even as tall as my old POS (still superior to any LCD out there) 20" CRT!
  • letsgetsilly - Monday, March 2, 2009 - link

    Just thinking about going down the Phenom route because of its value. Thanks so much for this article, great timing!
  • ET - Monday, March 2, 2009 - link

    The entry level was what I considered getting when I first read about the new Phenoms. Plug in my Radeon 3870 and it's a pretty decent system, and considerably better than my current Athlon X2 3800+ one.
  • ilkhan - Monday, March 2, 2009 - link

    $150 for DDR2? Are you insane? You can get 6GB of DDR3 for the same price, and it'll be just as good.
    The whole performance machine is screwy, who wants to build that when you can build an i7-920 for the same exact price, with 50% more RAM and at least 20% more performance?
  • strikeback03 - Monday, March 2, 2009 - link

    Notice that $154 is for 8GB, 2 4GB (2x2GB) kits. So the i7 system would be down 2GB.

    But yes, at $2000 for a complete new build, I would be looking at i7, not Phenom II.
  • Kiijibari - Wednesday, March 4, 2009 - link

    >But yes, at $2000 for a complete new build, I would be looking at i7, >not Phenom II.

    Depends, as long as you are not using the i7's HTh advantages (i.e. lots of rendering & encoding), I would choose the Phenom2.

    It is fast enough and cheaper, thus you can buy a better video card, monitor, maybe even a SSD ...

    cheers

    Kiiji
  • strikeback03 - Wednesday, March 4, 2009 - link

    The i7 overclocking system in their guide is $47 (2.2%) more expensive than the Phenom II Performance system. Both use the 4870 1GB, the i7 does factor in a discount on the speakers but given the falling prices of DDR3 you could probably jump to 6GB for about the same overall system cost today as when that guide was published. Unless you are quite sure of what your CPU usage needs will be over the life of the system, I don't see much reason to go with the CPU which is significantly slower in most tests.
  • The0ne - Monday, March 2, 2009 - link

    It's strange for me to see the part of the community be excited about AMDs CPUs. It wasn't long ago so many out there didn't even want to give AMD the chance. In any case, it's great to see AMD back in competition again. :)
  • just4U - Monday, March 2, 2009 - link

    Well, you have to remember that while Amd was selling fine in the budget area there wasn't much to be had in (what I believe) the real money making arena.. 9X, 8X, 7X Intel cpu's are pretty damn good and while Amd had competing products it was really hard to justify those purchases. Out of their whole last years line-up I only grabbed 3-4 X2's (4800-5200s) and one X3 8650. Now they've cracked that wide open and are only really shut out from the highest end. (not a big deal for many of us as i7 is still out of many of our wallets reach)

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