MSI R4350 - First Look

by Gary Key on October 29, 2008 12:00 PM EST

Test Setup -

H.264 Playback-

H.264 Blu-ray Playback: Simpsons Movie BD

The NVIDIA GF8200 (AMD processor based) still offers the best CPU utilization rates, slightly better than its Intel based cousin, the NVIDIA GF9300. Those users with a GF8200/9300 based board really have no reason to upgrade to this card since 8-channel LPCM audio output is already included plus proper support for 1080p/24Hz playback. Speaking of 1080p/24Hz playback capabilities, the latest ATI driver set (8.10 Hotfix) for the card provides better support now. However, we still experienced lip-sync problems and occasional stutters. Still not perfect like the NVIDIA solutions, but AMD is far ahead of Intel in this regard. We just hope AMD can get 1080p/24Hz working correctly (100%) in the near future.

Those HTPC users with AMD based chipsets (690G, 780G, 790GX) should seriously consider upgrading to the 4350 chipset for the additional media features. A side bonus is improved casual gaming performance and Surround View (multi-monitor) support. This chipset does not offer Hybrid Crossfire support on the 780G/790GX boards.

Intel HTPC users with the G35 chipset would be advised to upgrade to the HD4350. Although not shown in today's results, CPU utilization drops from 73% to 29% and casual gaming suddenly becomes a reality on this platform. G45 users already have full hardware accelerated BD playback and 8-channel LPCM output so the decision to spend additional funds is difficult. General application and casual gaming performance will improve with the HD4350, but the biggest reason to switch would be driver and BD playback application support in our opinion.

Power Consumption-

Idle Power Consumption

Idle power consumption favors the AMD platforms. The HD4350 card consumes around 10W at idle on either platform. We did run into an interesting situation with the HD4350 card when attached directly to a monitor or to our Pioneer Elite VSX-94TXH. On either platform, the HD4350 would set its clock speeds to 110MHz for the GPU core and 250MHz for the memory clock when attached to a monitor.

When attached to the AVR on the AMD platform, the card idled at 300MHz for core speed and 250 MHz for the memory speed. On the Intel platform, the card idled at 600MHz core speed and 500MHz memory speed. We are still investigating this problem, but it also occurred on the GF8200/9300 platforms.

H.264 Playback Power Consumption

The GF9300 platform comes out on top during BD playback, which surprised us considering the idle power results. Our HD4350 platforms consumer slightly more power (5.1W AMD, 6.9W Intel) than our IG based only systems. The benefits are worth it for users with the 780G chipset, although power consumption is still higher than our GF8200 based system.

Of note, every board we tested for the final article had power variations up to 5% even though the same chipset and general features was utilized in each product family. The amount of BIOS tuning for improved power management varies greatly between the motherboard suppliers.

Temperature -

Temperature - Idle / Load

We are only measuring temperature results of the HD4350 (GPU core) when installed in our G45/780G platforms for today's first look. We stabilized room temperature at 24C throughout testing. The idle temperatures were equal in each system when attached to a monitor. The AMD system had a 1C advantage when attached to the AVR, due to the increased Core/Memory clocks on the Intel platform.

We took the load temperatures with our Simpsons Movie title at the 30-minute mark. The Intel platform had a 1C (1.3C actual) advantage over the AMD platform. Of course, results will vary depending on case design and airflow, but our Intel system generally ran a degree or two cooler than the AMD system under load.

Gaming-

Gaming Performance - Company of Heroes

We will have additional gaming results in the final article but for now, we are presenting Company of Heroes - Opposing Fronts scores at our standard 1024x768 resolution (High/Medium settings) we utilize in IG testing.

In this title and others, the HD4350 offers significantly improved performance at lower resolutions and settings compared to the IG solutions. In fact, at least in Company of Heroes, this card will maintain 40 fps rates at 1680x1050 with either processor at our standard quality settings.

The Intel platform (E5200/HD4350) offers slightly higher frame rates than the AMD platform (4850e/HD4350), but in this game and others, minimum frame rates were always higher with the AMD platforms. Our user experience backed up the benchmark numbers; we generally thought the AMD platform offered a smoother gaming experience, at least in our budget solutions.

Recap-

That's it for today, we will be back shortly with additional BD, general application, and casual gaming results from several different CPUs and Video cards on a variety of IG motherboards. In the meantime, we highly suggest the HD4350 for anyone on a budget looking to upgrade their HTPC systems or needing a low-cost solution for playing SPORE, Company of Heroes, and Race Driver: GRID, or other recent simulation, RTS, or RPG titles at resolutions below 1680x1050.

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  • JarredWalton - Thursday, October 30, 2008 - link

    I suppose using a DVI-to-HDMI adapter is simply not acceptable to the HTPC market? Given more people currently use DVI and HTPC is a relatively small market, I think it makes sense to support DVI first with an adapter for HDMI rather than to have an HDMI port and require the adapter for DVI.
  • brentpresley - Thursday, October 30, 2008 - link

    Considering Audio over HDMI is a KEY SELLING point in the HTPC market, and you can't pipe Audio over DVI through a converter . . .


    Yes, it is an issue.


    In the future, you might want to know more about what you are talking about before you make snide remarks. ;)
  • derek85 - Thursday, October 30, 2008 - link

    No it works. The DVI-HDMI adaptors utilizes few pins that DVI does not use to pass audio signals.
  • 3DoubleD - Thursday, October 30, 2008 - link

    Dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. DIRECTLY from the MSI website:

    http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=proddesc&a...">http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func...o=130&am...

    They included a special box 2/3s down the screen to explain to special people like you why they don't include native HDMI ports.
  • 3DoubleD - Thursday, October 30, 2008 - link

    Just to clarify to save you a trip to the MSI website, I'm saying the DVI port definitely supports LPCM 7.1 as long as you use their special DVI to HDMI dongle.
  • strikeback03 - Thursday, October 30, 2008 - link

    The AMD DVI to HDMI adapter can pass audio over HDMI...
  • DeesTroy - Thursday, October 30, 2008 - link

    While there's no doubt that the 4350 can support Blu-Ray playback, does it have enough power to do some of the 2.0 profile work like picture in picture dual stream playback? I'm pretty sure that ATI/AMD stated that the 4350 probably wouldn't support these features and your Blu-Ray tests might need to be updated to include a check of the dual stream playback. Also, how well does the 4350 do in the Silicon Optix HD HQV tests? While the test is somewhat subjective, we've seen before that low-end hardware sometimes stumbles in image quality compared to higher-end hardware.

    If these reviews would go just a step or 2 further and answer some of these types of questions, AT could easily become the best review site for the HTPC crowd. We're so severely overlooked by most sites.
  • rennya - Thursday, October 30, 2008 - link

    UVD2 in 4350 (or any 4xxx cards) support picture-in-picture. It is post-processing that will be suspect.
  • SpHeRe31459 - Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - link

    But does it deinterlace 1080i properly? Cards at the super low end haven't had the shader power to do proper deinterlacing and/or 3:2 pulldown of 1080i. I know the HTPC community is dying to know if the low power, passive, Radeon HD 4350 has the goods.
  • Baov - Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - link

    With no hybrid crossfire, i don't see why people with 780G and 790GX should upgrade to this. Why not just get one of those cards higher up that don't do hybrid crossfire anyways?

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