First Impressions

In our first look at the 650i chipset we asked the $64,000 question: did NVIDIA succeed in designing a competitive chipset when compared to the Intel P965? Our answer to that question was a very reserved yes, the reason being that we did not know if the chipset or ASUS' implementation of it indicated the actual strength of the 650i. We had some hunches and believed the chipset was indeed competitive, but it certainly was not going to deliver a knockout blow to the P965. After working with the P6N SLI Platinum board for a couple of weeks and seeing MSI's dedication to improving performance and resolving issues with the 650i chipset we feel that $64,000 question can be answered now. Before we do, let's go over this board once again.

The performance of the board is excellent, and in some ways beyond excellent. The stock performance is impressive across a wide array of applications and games but considering the time it took to get to market we did expect slightly better overclocking performance and a fully polished BIOS. MSI is close and we fully expect them to improve upon the overclocking while addressing a few other niggling issues but we have to wonder at what price? Typically, you have to sacrifice overclocking for superb stock or near stock performance or you have to sacrifice a few performance points at the base level in order to ensure the board will properly reach its limits at the top. MSI recently has offered excellent stock performance and stability while trading off the overclocking capability at the mid to upper end of the chipset's capability. How they will ultimately balance the capabilities of this board will be interesting but for now they are leaning to excellent stock performance while offering a decent level of overclocking. This is not necessarily a bad balance in our estimation but ultimately the market will decide which option is best.

Finding a balance in this performance oriented market is always difficult. One group wants superb overclocking and multitudes of BIOS options at the expense of stock performance as they will tune in the performance based upon their needs. Another group will want excellent stock results with the ability to overclock to a level that allows them to extend the life of their components or to at least experience a level of performance near those spending hundreds of dollars more for a system. Of course, you also have the group that wants both and at times we hover in all three camps, but usually we want to have our cake and eat it too.

In the end, we feel like the positioning of this board as a Platinum design with an emphasis on performance and features means the target audience for this board will probably want to give up a little stock performance in exchange for slightly better overclocking. This board has at least reached the 450FSB level but we would like to see a little more headroom and have it balance out around the 485~500FSB range. We already know the board can do 515+ FSB with an E6300 and a special performance BIOS so the design is capable of it; finding that right balance is now in MSI's hands.


Back to that $64,000 question, we feel like in the majority of areas that the NVIDIA 650i chipset can compete directly with the Intel P965. This chipset will struggle against the P965 in pure overclocking capability, power consumption, memory performance, CPU crunching activities, and of course general availability. We found the 650i SLI offered similar if not better performance in most cases and excelled in gaming where its main purpose in life exists. The advantages the 650i SLI offers is official SLI support, native IDE chipset capability along with support for four IDE devices, very flexible memory and FSB settings, and a similar price to performance ratio when compared to the P965.

With all that said, based upon the performance results and feature set of the P6N SLI Platinum board it leaves us wondering why we would spend over $70 more for the 680i boards. Sure, the 680i boards have additional features such as dual Gigabit Ethernet connections with DualNet technology, dual x16 graphics slots along with a slot designed for physics capability, an additional two SATA 3Gb/s and USB 2.0 ports, and enhancements like LinkBoost, SLI Ready Memory, and extended overclocking and memory capabilities. However, does every user need these additional features or will they even use them?

For the vast majority of users we think not, and believe the 650i SLI chipset offers basically the same performance as the 680i about 98% of the time for significantly less money. It may turn out that this chipset doesn't deliver a knockout blow to the P965 but instead to the 680i in most cases. In the end, none of this much matters unless the motherboard based upon a 650i chipset lives up to its expectations.

We believe that the MSI P6N SLI Platinum lives up to and at times exceeds our expectations of an Intel based motherboard in this price category. We also think this motherboard restores faith in the MSI Platinum brand name that seeks to offer the best balance of price and performance for the user. MSI still has some balancing to do with this board and if they do it right, then it will deserve a lot more than just our recommendation. For anyone short of the extreme overclockers and tweakers, the board already offers everything you could want.

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  • nicolasb - Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - link

    Maybe this was mentioned in part 1 and I missed it, but how does the 650i perform in terms of heat output? And how effective/noisy is the north bridge cooling on the MSI board? And how does the overall power consumption of the system compare to P965? The 680i certainly runs very hot indeed compared to its Intel rivals;I think need to know if the 650i does the same.
  • Gary Key - Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - link

    Power consumption numbers are on page 9. Thermals are a different story as they will vary widely depending upon the case design and internal cooling. The best I can do is to setup a 650i and a P965 on a test platform and take readings without any airflow across the boards. I will do that tonight but from the touch of your finger testing, I figure the 650i is about 15% warmer on average. The fan that MSI includes has a db rating of 34 and did not sound whiny in testing.
  • nicolasb - Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - link

    I think we need to know, even.
  • Geraldo8022 - Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - link

    Yes, this is very important to me and I also would like the answers to these questions.
  • phusg - Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - link

    Guys I agree it's very important but please RTFA first ;-)

    From page 9 power consumption you can conclude that the 650i uses some 10-15 Watts less than the 690i.
  • phusg - Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - link

    Additionally if idle is more important to you then the P965 seems to nose in front, if load is more important then the RD600 chipset seems to be king. Unfortunately only DFI has a board at the moment although I think ASUS is rumoured to be preparing one too.

    And as far as noise goes I think all these motherboards are passively cooled, so they should be pretty close to 0db.
  • yyrkoon - Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - link

    First, let me get this out of the way:

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    It may turn out that this chipset doesn't deliver a knock blow to the P965 but instead to the 680i in most cases.


    Last page second to the last paragraph, I'm assuming you meant 'knock-out blow' ?

    Now that, that is out of the way, is it just me, or does it seem that MSI is/has been encroaching on ABIT, and like companies as far as stability goes ? I personaly have not owned any MSI motherboards for quite some time, but everytime I read about their boards, it seems to be getting more, and more favorable for them.

    Now a question concerning functionality. Will this SIL eSATA chip handle SATA Port multipliers well ? Would be a very good option if so. Also how many PCIE lanes do these boards actually use vs the i680 boards ? I remember seeing a spec sheet of the 590 vs the 570 (which if I recall correctly, was half the PCIE lanes, 590 vs 570 that is) but I do not recall seeing any data concerning the i680 vs its little breathren.
  • Gary Key - Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - link

    Hi,

    It should have been knock-out blow and is corrected now. On the front page we linked to our 680i launch article that explained the technical differences between the chipsets - http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?...">680i Launch - but to answer your question quickly the 680i has 46 PCI Express Lanes and nine links compared to 18 PCI Express Lanes and four links on the 650i SLI. The specs on the SIL3531 can be found here - http://www.siliconimage.com/products/product.aspx?...">SiL3531. The chipset has support for Port Multipliers with FIS-based switching such as their own SiL3726 chipset.

    MSI over the last couple of years had lost their focus to some degree in the motherboard market and it seemed as though they either wanted to product low cost boards to compete against ECS/Foxconn or high-end boards in their Diamond series. You never knew what to expect from them when a new chipset was released. They were also getting a bad rap for being late to market along with getting the board finally tuned correctly about the time production ended on it. I know from several discussions with them over the past couple of months that they are aware of past issues and are vigorously working to correct those issues now. Product quality has always been good overall but has certainly become better as of late while pricing is still aggressive based upon feature sets.

    Thanks for the comments.
  • yyrkoon - Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - link

    Thanks for the reply Gary.

    Am I right in assuming that just because a given chipset has x mount of PCIE lanes/Links, that <insert OEM> motherboard manufactuer is not obligated in using all of these lanes /links ? IF this be the case, how would one go about finding this information out, without reverse engineering the motherboard ?
  • just4U - Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - link

    Odd is it not? They used to be first to market in alot of boards and had to constantly fine tune after launch because they were riddled with issues. I've always liked MSI and usually purchase a few of their boards each year.



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