Final Words

The latest AMD Athlon 64 processors bring with them performance improvements, and a new round of potential compatibility issues. Venice, San Diego, and Toledo (x2) all have the 90nm manufacturing advantage and the addition of SSE3 instructions. While they will all potentially work on any Socket 939 board, all three new processors require a BIOS update, which may or may not be available for your favorite board.

In general, motherboards based on the nForce4, VIA K8T890, Uli1689, SiS 756, and ATI Crossfire AMD will likely already have a BIOS released that will work with x2 processors or one will be coming shortly. Those with motherboards based on the earlier nForce3 chipset may not be so lucky - as BIOS' that support x2 on nForce3 are just starting to appear. We are told nF3 support for x2 is coming, but it is definitely coming more slowly. This means most Socket 939 boards with AGP video may not be supported right now with an x2 BIOS upgrade. We say most, because the new ULi 1689 chipset does support both AGP and x2, and some of the older but popular VIA AGP boards have x2 BIOS updates available.

AMD has also added additional "hidden" features in the AMD on-processor memory controller. Additional asynchronous ratios are available at 433, 466, and 500 memory speed on boards that implement the necessary code to access these memory controller features. These options should be available with any Revision E chip if the manufacturer implements the controller option read in BIOS. We saw the additional options "magically" appear on an Abit AN8 Fatality motherboard when a 4200+ x2 processor was used.

Unfortunately the long-rumored 1T Command Rate with Rev. E AMD processors appears to have been just a rumor. We could not run 4 matched dimms at 1T in a motherboard with Rev. E/x2 support. Four dimms still required a 2T Command Rate.

You should consider our list of Official and Unofficial Dual-core support to be a unified Revision E list. AMD tells us that Revision E support is part of the requirement for x2, so you can assume any x2 capable board will also properly support Venice and San Diego.

Fortunately for those shopping for a new Socket 939 motherboard there are many new boards that support Revision E and x2 processors. We hope the information in the article will make your search for a new motherboard for an Athlon 64 an easier process. If we overlooked boards and/or BIOS revisions that belong in our Supported list please let us know.

Socket 939 Motherboards with Dual-Core BIOS
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  • arswihart - Tuesday, June 28, 2005 - link

    actually here's a link to a foreign thread that has links to the new BIOS's:

    http://www.msi-forum.de/thread.php?threadid=17206&...

    Did this completely escape you Anandtech?

    Also, I've read the F6 Bios for the Gigabyte K8NS Ultra and the F9 Bios for the K8NSNXP give X2 support. Haven't read any results from them though.
  • Noubourne - Tuesday, June 28, 2005 - link

    Wasn't part of the issue with 4 DIMMS that not only would you be stuck with 2T, but also with DDR333 with all four slots populated?

    Wasn't part of it also that 2x1GB wouldn't do 1T either? I am fairly certain SD and Venice are both capable of doing 1T with 2x1GB. That is important to mention for people looking at 2GB of RAM, but not necessarily OC.
  • larson0699 - Tuesday, June 28, 2005 - link

    "We also had done some testing with the early Winchester and Newcastle chips which were based on the 90nm production process instead of the 130nm process used for clawhammer."

    Newcastle IS a 130nm part.

    "If the BIOS doesn't support rev E (In other words, you may have a good board, but the BIOS is pretty old), you will likely need to install a pre-rev E (AKA-130nm) AMD processor to flash the BIOS."

    Misleading. Winchester is also pre-Rev.E and is only 90nm.
    And that was from one of their own guys.

    #2, don't you fret. The mass of nForce3 owners raises too high a demand for the makers _not_ to do something about it. nForce3 isn't at EOL simply because of PCI-e; what matters is that it's socket 939 (still as much a current platform as nForce4's 939) and they have customers that they don't want to lose.
  • Viditor - Tuesday, June 28, 2005 - link

    The Final Words link in the dropdown menu is broken...it takes you to a search page.
  • arswihart - Tuesday, June 28, 2005 - link

    A couple nf3 boards have already made BIOS's available (MSI and Gigabyte), while DFI has promised support on its upcoming nf3 board. Epox support looks likely as well in the near future, as per Epox Tech.

    This is all based on what I've read, I never tried tracking down any of the actual BIOS files because I don't own an MSI or Gigabyte board. But I've heard they're out there.
  • matthewfoley - Tuesday, June 28, 2005 - link

    BOOOO! No 939 nForce3 x2 compatibility!?!? MSI get off your asses and release a bios. That is rediculous.
  • larry89 - Tuesday, June 28, 2005 - link

    ^.^ nice

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