Video Card Recommendations

The ups and downs of SLI are becoming more apparent as time passes. There have been some reports of general flakiness with SLI setups, particularly if you're using the DVI connection of your graphics card. Applications ("games" in reality, as we're not aware of any optimizations for non-gaming programs) require hard-coded driver support in order to use SLI; if NVIDIA hasn't yet profiled a game, SLI systems will render using only one video card. You can still purchase an SLI motherboard, but our recommendations here are concerned with Mid-Range price/performance, and SLI - and particularly high-performance PCIe cards - does not fit well in this price segment. Remember that for Intel, we give the PCIe configuration a full recommendation, but for AMD, we're still hesitant. We'll start with the AGP side of things.


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AGP Recommendation

XFX 6600GT AGP 128MB GDDR3
Price: $209 Shipped

The selection of 6600GT cards in AGP format is beginning to improve, as is the price. While it may not be the cheapest option available, we like the features that the XFX 6600GT 128MB [RTPE: PVT43AND] brings to the table. Specifically, the dual DVI output is a great inclusion for the future. If you don't have an LCD yet, you can use an adapter to run a standard VGA connection, but for LCD users, you will definitely want to get a DVI capable display and graphics card. The ability to run dual LCD displays - and if you're going to use two displays, we strongly recommend LCDs due to their space saving characteristics - would thus require two DVI ports, or else you would have to run with the lower quality VGA connection on one display. Is it absolutely necessary? No, but for an extra $10, we prefer the capability, just in case. An added benefit is that the XFX is clocked at 500 MHz on both the core and the memory; the official specification for the AGP 6600GT cards has the RAM clocked at 450 MHz, unlike the PCIe models. Granted, with overclocking, you could probably push any of the cards to 500 MHz and even further, but for an out-of-box experience, we like the manufacturer-approved "overclock".

There is one noteable drawback to the XFX card, unfortunately. It is relatively loud. We're not talking FX 5800 Ultra levels, by any means, but it is definitely audible. If you want something quieter and are willing to lose the dual-DVI and factory overclock options, MSI makes a very good 6600GT card that is near-silent in comparison. BFG also makes a good card that includes even more factory overclocking than the XFX, but it costs almost as much as a 6800 card, so unless the price drops to match the other 6600GT cards, it is difficult to recommend.


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AGP Alternative

Leadtek A400GT TDH 256MB GDDR3
Price: $377 Shipped

If you're truly interested in performance without breaking the bank, the best Mid-Range option to get you there remains with the AGP GeForce 6800GT [RTPE: A400 GT TDH]. The Leadtek cards also include a large, two-slot copper heatsink, which should help to keep the card cool. If you like our above recommendation to get a dual-DVI card where possible, you'll have to spend $30 more to get an XFX card. Lately, XFX has started to make a point of offering dual DVI output on all their cards. They do have some 6800GT cards with a VGA/DVI output for less money, but nearly all of their new cards are now dual-DVI.

For an in-between alternative, the 12 pipeline 6800 cards are also viable. They're not tremendously faster than the 6600GT - in fact, in terms of pixel processing power, it's basically a tie between the two chips - but they do have a 256-bit memory interface that can help out quite a bit in certain applications. For a price that's pretty much right in line with the performance increase/decrease relative to the 6600GT and the 6800GT, the BFG 6800 OC [RTPE: BFGR6800] would be our pick. Depending on your location, it can be had for as little as $259.


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PCIe Recommendation

Leadtek Winfast PX6600GT TDH PCIe 128MB
Price: $190 Shipped

If you want to get a PCI Express system, the only reasonably mid-range option is the 6600GT. The 6800 PCIe cards carry a large price premium at present, so they remain high-end options. We recommend that anyone who is looking at the 6600GT cards should read our 6600GT roundup. One of the key stumbling blocks for a lot of the cards was a poorly mounted HSF, which could cause problems if you swap hardware a lot or move your computer around much. Basically, the advice for most of the 6600GT cards is "handle with care". Our recommendation goes to the Leadtek 6600GT [RTPE: PX6600GT TDH], the Gold Editor's Choice card from the roundup. The card runs cool and quiet, overclocking is decent - about in line with most of the other cards - and the HSF is mounted securely. Again, dual-DVI is an option with the XFX model [RTPE: PVT43GND], which was our runner-up Silver Editor's Choice. It wasn't without issues, noise being one of them, but there aren't many options that we're comfortable recommending at this point which have dual-DVI.

Despite all of our talk about SLI not offering much, it is an option some will like. It doesn't save you much over the long term relative to AGP, but it's better than nothing. We're really looking forward to the actual retail availability of ATI's X800 and X800XL cards, which are supposed to target prices of $199 and $299 respectively. It may take two months for them to actually reach that price, if the trends of the past few months continue, but they do bring some needed competition to the low- to mid-range PCIe segment. Serious ATI fans who are looking for good value really have only one option right now, the X700 Pro [RTPE: X700 Pro]. While the 256 MB of RAM might seem attractive, it really doesn't help that much and we would prefer a faster core and RAM rather than more RAM running at slower speeds. The X700 XT, unfortunately, has been removed from ATI's lineup, so you'll have to wait for the X800. For top PCIe performance, the 6800GT PCIe card with an eye towards SLI would make sense, but the $475 price point per card is $100 more than its AGP counterpart and well into the high-end segment.


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  • JarredWalton - Sunday, January 23, 2005 - link

    35 - Damn. Foiled. :) I forget these things over time. Wasn't the original Raptor TCQ and the newer version has something like "TCQ-II" which was supposed to improve on standard TCQ somehow? Anyway, our NCQ article didn't really show a major benefit for desktop use, but I've fixed the error now. Thanks!
  • REMF - Saturday, January 22, 2005 - link

    "On the other hand, if improved performance is what you're after, the best two choices are either one of the 16MB cache Maxtor drives or the 74GB Western Digital Raptor [RTPE: WD740GD] with its 10,000 RPM design - both of these also offer NCQ, in case you were wondering."

    the Raptor offers Tagged Command Queuing, not Native Command Queuing.

  • JarredWalton - Saturday, January 22, 2005 - link

    Regarding post #30 and the NEC 3520A, a reader sent me an email informing me that the 3520A uses a new chipset and thus the 3500A is *not* upgradeable to the 3520A via a BIOS flash. Barring any contradicting views, I'll stick with that.
  • JarredWalton - Saturday, January 22, 2005 - link

    31 - our RTPE doesn't currently differentiate between the ST3160023AS and the ST3160827AS, unfortunately. For example, the Newegg listing currently priced at $111.50 + $4.69 shipping is the appropriate NCQ model. In reality, the NCQ doesn't seem to be a big deal for non-server systems (just like RAID), but if it's only a few dollars more why not get it? That was my feeling. There are even a couple listings in the RTPE for the ST3160021AS. Basically, the RTPE bots match items according to size and features, but NCQ doesn't seem to be something they're aware of yet.
  • kamaboko - Saturday, January 22, 2005 - link

    you know the saying, "can't please all of the people all of the time". i think that applies here. in any case, i found this guide useful since i'm looking at a near total ground up rebuild--minus dvd burner, audigy 2zs, and monitor.
  • beakerman - Saturday, January 22, 2005 - link

    "With the added benefit of Native Command Queuing (NCQ), the Seagate drives continue to impress. The Seagate 160 GB SATA [RTPE: ST3160023AS]"

    According to Seagate, the ST3160023AS does not feature NCQ. I believe the drive you want is the ST3160827AS, which is actually a few $$ cheaper. Both drives are 160 GB SATA.
  • JarredWalton - Saturday, January 22, 2005 - link

    26 - Sorry, I got the wrong "updated burn speeds" in there. The 3500A is indeed capable of 16X DVD+/-R recording. The difference is that the 3520A can do DVD+RW at 8X and DVD-RW at 6X, while the 3500A is stuck at 4X for both. There's a reasonable chance, of course, that a BIOS flash of the 3500A can turn it into the 3520A. I updated the text with this information.

    28 - The "alternative" was meant as a closer to high-end option. 50% more for the CPU for 10% more performance is a rather expensive upgrade. The jump to the 3800+ is even worse, coming in at 100% more than the 3500+ for a 9% performance increase. I've updated the text slightly to make this more clear. For overclockers, I definitely wouldn't bother with the added cost of the 3500+.

    27 - I did mention the home theater aspect for the speakers (last part of the 5300e paragraph), but we're certainly not going to spec out an entire home audio setup, so there's not much to do other than mention it. Your comment ties into the next point:

    29 - 2.1 speakers aren't much cheaper than the 5.1s, and you can always just leave the rear speakers disconnected. Still, you have a point that some people really don't want more speakers. In that case, I'm not sure why they would bother with anything more than 2.0 speakers, though. There *are* great 2.0 and 2.1 speakers out there, but then you're almost better off looking at the home audio equipment instead of PC speakers. I dunno... I suppose the Swans are always an option. Anywat, I modified the text to include 2.0/2.1 speakers and headphones as something to consider, along with home theater audio. I moved this into a separate paragraph to draw more attention to it.
  • Dranzerk - Saturday, January 22, 2005 - link

    One suggestion for next buyers guide, I think all kinds system setups like 2.1 speaker systems, you should offer a 5.1 and 2.1 for each type instead of just 5.1.

    I know some personally don't like 5.1 sounding speakers, and prefer 2.1 speakers.

    The logitech Z3 2.1 fit that bill perfectly, you can find them for under $50 also, and they get great reviews.
  • Pjotr - Saturday, January 22, 2005 - link

    I think you are fooling buyers into a wrongful purchase when it comes to performance. In the AMD "Upgraded" PCIe Athlon 64 System you have gone from 3200+ for $215 to 3500+ for $334. The performance increase from 2.0 to 2.2 GHz is smaller than 10 %, in many applications like games it might even be close to 0.

    Instead of adding $119 for this 0-10 % performance gain, I think sticking with the 3200+ CPU and changing the graphics card from 6600GT to 6800GT (Leadtek A400) is a MUCH better choise, It will cost you £377 minus $190 = $187. If you want to come down close to the $119 difference don't get an SLI motherboard.

    This graphics upgrade will make wonders in anything graphics related compared to a 10 % CPU clock speed upgrade that is seldom noticed in anything.
  • Caligynemania - Saturday, January 22, 2005 - link

    Great article, just one comment. With your reccomendation of speakers and sound card as alternatives, you really should mention that a receiver/speaker combination would probably be most people's best bets. A good receiver will run slightly more than the sound cards you mentioned, but the selection for real speakers is infinitely better than computer speakers.

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