Final Words

I don't think anyone thought the race would be this close after what has been going on over the past couple years with ATI and NVIDIA. Clearly, both camps have had their wins and losses, but it is safe to say that ATI comes out on top when it comes to DX9 and PS 2.0 performance, NVIDIA leads the way in OpenGL performance, and NV40 and R420 split the difference when it comes to DX8 (and older) style games. Even though we haven't yet seen the performance numbers from NVIDIA's 6850 Ultra part, it is likely that there will be a price premium that goes along with that performance. On top of that, the 6850 is really just an overclocked 6800 Ultra part. We will take a look at the issue further when we are finally able to run some numbers.

It is very clear that both NVIDIA and ATI have strong offerings. With better competition in the market place, and NVIDIA differentiating themselves by offering a richer feature set (that doesn't necessarily translate into value unless developers start producing games that use those features), consumers will be able to make a choice without needing to worry about sacrificing real performance. Hopefully we will be able to say the same about image quality when we get done with our testing in that area as well.

Of course, we are still trying to gather all the pieces that explain why we are seeing the numbers we are seeing. The problem is really the amount and level of information we are able to gather is based on how the API maps to the hardware rather than how the hardware does things.

The two rather large issues we have encountered when trying to talk about hardware from the software's perspective are the following: it is easy to get lost when looking at performing tasks from slightly different perspectives or angles of attack, and looking at two architectures that are designed to accomplish similar tasks obfuscates the characteristics of the underlying architectures. We are very happy that both NVIDIA and ATI have started opening up and sharing more about there architectures with us, and hopefully the next round of products will see even further development of this type of relationship.

There is one final dilemma we have on our hands: pricing. From the performance numbers from both this generation and the previous generation, it doesn't seem like prices can stay where they are. As we get a better feel for the coming market with the 12x1 NVIDIA offering, and other midrange and budget offerings from both NVIDIA and ATI, there will be so much overlap in price, performance, and generation without a very large gap in functionality that it might not make sense to spend more money to get something newer. Of course, we will have to wait and see what happens in that area, but depending on what the test results for our 6850 Ultra end up looking like, we may end up recommending that NVIDIA push their prices down slightly (or shift around a few specs) in order to keep the market balanced. With ATI's performance on par in older games and slightly ahead in newer games, the beefy power supply requirement, two slot solution, and sheer heat generated by NV40 may be too much for most people to take the NVIDIA plunge. The bottom line is the consumer here, and its good news all around.

Neverwinter Nights: Shadow of the Undrentide Performance
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  • l3ored - Tuesday, May 4, 2004 - link

    only the 800xt was winning, the pro usually came after the 6800's
  • Keeksy - Tuesday, May 4, 2004 - link

    Yeah, it is funny how ATi excels in DirectX, yet loses in the OpenGL bechmarks. Looks like I'm going to have both an NVIDIA and an ATi card. The first to play Doom3, the other to play HL2.
  • peroni - Tuesday, May 4, 2004 - link

    I wish there was some testing done with overclocking.

    There are quite a few spelling errors in there Derek.

    Did I miss something or I did not see any mention of prices for these 2 cards?
  • Glitchny - Tuesday, May 4, 2004 - link

    #11 thats what everyone thought when Nvidia bought all the people from 3dFX and look what happened with that.
  • araczynski - Tuesday, May 4, 2004 - link

    i agree with 5 and 10, still the same old stalemate as before, one is good at one thing, the other is good at another. i guess i'll let price dictate my next purchase.

    but ati sure did take the wind out of nvidia's sails with these numbers.

    i wish one of the two would buy the other one out and combine the technologies, one would think they would have a nice product in the end.
  • eBauer - Tuesday, May 4, 2004 - link

    #8 - OpenGL still kicks butt on the nVidia boards. Think of all the Doom3 fans that will buy the 6800's....

    As for myself, I will wait and see how the prices pan out. For now leaning on the X800.
  • ViRGE - Tuesday, May 4, 2004 - link

    ...On the virge of ATI's R420 GPU launch...

    Derek, I'm so touched that you thought of me. ;)
  • Tallon - Tuesday, May 4, 2004 - link

    Ok, so let's review. with the x800XT having better image quality, better framerates, only taking up one slot for cooling and STILL being cooler, and only needing one molex connecter (uses less power than the 9800 XT, actually), who in their right mind would choose a 6800u over this x800XT? I mean, seriously, NVIDIA is scrambling to release a 6850u now which is exactly identical to a 6800u, it's just overclocked (which means more power and higher temperatures). This is ridiculous. ATI is king.
  • noxipoo - Tuesday, May 4, 2004 - link

    ATi wins again.
  • Akaz1976 - Tuesday, May 4, 2004 - link

    Dang! On one hand, I am saddened by the review. My recently purchased (last month) Radeon9800PRO would be at the bottom of the chart in most of the tests carried out in this review :(

    On the other hand this sure bode well for my next vid card upgrade. Even if it is a few months off! :)

    Akaz

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