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Calling back to Computex, ASUS first announced a new Transformer device based on ‘Intel’s Next Generation’ processor. We knew it was Kaby Lake, but given the launch cycle for KBL it was understandable that the device was still a couple of months out and a work in process. At that point of the game the hardware specifications are typically squared away, and final touches are being made to the design ID as well as strong work on the software platform and ramping up the manufacturing aspect. We expect ASUS to launch their new Transformer products in due course.

At Intel’s pre-briefing for Kaby Lake, several systems were on display from HP all using the new processors. Specifications were not discussed, however devices with 4K panels and a variety of sizes were shown, including what looked like an upgraded Spectre, as well as a notebook with an OLED display.

This week is the annual IFA trade show in Berlin, which focuses on complete consumer electronics rather than components, as well as home appliances, IoT, and other things in-between. We have presentations and press events for a wide variety of companies including Acer, Samsung, Lenovo, Huawei, ZTE, and Sony, all of whom could be announcing something around Kaby Lake. (Qualcomm and AMD are also presenting at the show, but something tells me it isn’t to do with KBL.)

Explaining Why There’s No Desktop Parts Today

For the majority of enthusiasts, PC builders and gamers, questions about the time frame of the desktop processor launches, the benefits they bring and the pricing are swirling around the zeitgeist. Intel has confirmed with today’s launch that a wider array of Kaby Lake parts will be launched in January, including Iris graphics enabled processors, desktop parts, enterprise parts and workstation SKUs (vPro and Xeons, one would assume).

Despite the fact that this is still 14nm, one could assume that 14nm+ was focused on the small die parts first to improve yield before the larger desktop parts were produced, depending on how difficult the shift from 14 to 14+ actually was. There’s also the consideration about Intel’s product lines: Skylake on the desktop was only launched 12 months ago, and the next generation 10nm Intel product is - admittedly looking into a very foggy crystal ball - over a year away and will be mobile focused again as smaller dies are easier to make. Intel has to sufficiently space out its product stacks to ensure maximum profit, appease shareholders, but also give their customers a regular, expected update cycle. There’s a reason we don’t see the best product Intel could ever make on day one at unlimited expense.

Given that Intel has said that KBL is a similar IPC to SKL, it might be a bit worrying if desktop performance of the new parts is identical to the old ones, merely bumped up in frequency. Typically a small frequency bump mirrors a basic overclock; importantly however, if the pitch has been widened to allow a higher frequency, this could have a beneficial knock on effect for overclocking. Despite marketing efforts, Intel still limits overclocking to the two high-end SKUs, so how well Kaby Lake overclocks could prove important with desktop enthusiasts. If it overclocks better than Skylake, then we might be looking at the Skylake equivalent of the Haswell Refresh/Devil's Canyon. However if KBL offers the same OC frequency as SKL, and the same performance due to a similar IPC, then enthusiasts might not be interested. Ultimately Intel is going to market the new chips as a 3-5 year upgrade option for users still on Nehalem, Westmere and Sandy Bridge. This is ultimately where Intel believes most of the upgrade sales are coming from, rather than users jumping from Skylake.

The other factor is the motherboard side of the equation. We know that Kaby Lake on the desktop is to be accompanied by a new chipset launch as well, the 200-series, and typically if we were expecting a September launch then we would have seen motherboard examples at Computex. At the show, only MSI had an ‘unlabeled 200-series’ motherboard on show, which looked pretty identical to a Z170 product already on sale barring the design ID. We don’t yet know the benefits of the 200-series chipset over the 100-series line, and a release date in January would mean that motherboard manufacturers should now be in the final design steps for their major SKUs.

Saying ‘January’ as a launch date is quite vague. But, January has the annual CES event in Las Vegas during the first week after New Year, which is a common time to launch new CPUs after the holiday season finishes and people are ‘rested’.

Finally, it’s also worth noting that AMD is planning to enable widespread availability for their new Zen set of CPUs in Q1. So a January launch for desktop Kaby Lake could provide a more contested one for Intel. (If they also launch at CES, I need to start bulk ordering caffeine drips today. Goodbye sleep, it was nice knowing you. I may not be seen the rest of January.)

After all that, I’m pretty sure it’s pronounced Kay-bee Lake.

Updated 14nm, Speed Shift v2, Performance Updates Appendix: Kaby Lake Briefing Slides
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  • CaedenV - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link

    yep, virtu never worked on my SB z68 motherboard, but I upgraded to a z77 board (same SB CPU) to support TRIM over RAID0/1 for my SSDs and was happy to find that Virtu worked as advertised on the newer board. Used it to rip DVDs and BluRays for a few years, but more recently moved to a newer dGPU as I re-ripped my collection to h.256 to save on server space.
  • inighthawki - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link

    It is typically a BIOS option to enable/disable the iGPU in the presence of a discrete GPU. Enabling it should have no ramifications, though, and the iGPU should simply show up as another video adapter on the system (no different than if you plug in an AMD and NVIDIA card at the same time). I've done this before on my machines and I've never had windows fail to boot - what configuration do[/did] you have? Perhaps the discrete GPU driver attempted to configure the system as a hybrid configuration (e.g. like on laptops) but it was not compatible for some reason?
  • Guspaz - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link

    It was the bios setting that I attempted to enable. It's an i7-3770 on a Z77 motherboard and an nVidia GPU (670 at the time) on what was originally Windows 7. Windows 8 didn't help, and I've not tried it with my current GPU (970) or OS (Win10).
  • inighthawki - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link

    hmm odd. I haven't ever tried on Windows 7 (or ivy bridge, for that matter), but my haswell works flawlessly alongside my GTX 780Ti in windows 10. I would suspect it could just be a driver issue.
  • CaedenV - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link

    Ivy still required lucid to work (my wife's desktop does not have it, so I can pick one or the other). But newer boards came with the feature as standard.
    Still, enabling the onboard graphics should not bring instability. Must be a bad iGPU or a driver issue at play there. enabling the iGPU should just turn off the dGPU in systems without virtu.
  • techieboi - Thursday, September 1, 2016 - link

    I doubt it is possible as yet. But there was a similar hack I read on http://gadgetspost.com, you could try. Not sure though.
  • Shadowmaster625 - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link

    PAO? More like TTM. Tick. Tock. Milk.
  • Drumsticks - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link

    To be fair, a 12% performance boost on mobile is pretty fair, considering it's higher than some new generations have managed with new uArchs or entirely new process nodes.
  • tipoo - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link

    Tick Tock Toe
  • TEAMSWITCHER - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link

    Can someone please explain to me Intel's product introduction strategy? Why would they want to sell the lower-cost non-Iris Pro Kaby Lake chips first? This makes no sense...essentially diluting the demand for the "better" chips by putting the "lesser" chips on the markets MONTHS before hand.

    I understand that PC makers love these "bread and butter" = "ho-hum" SKU's, and can't wait to sell "Kaby Lake" versions of products they are selling right now, but WOW! One would think that Intel would at least attempt to improve profitability by making the "better" (Iris PRO) chips available at the same time. I just don't see the logic...

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