Practical Performance Possibilities

Last but not least, we would like to explore the potential performance repercussions of the GTX 970’s unusual configuration.

Starting with the ROPs, while NVIDIA’s original incorrect specification is unfortunate, from a practical perspective it’s really just annoying. As originally (and correctly) pointed out by The Tech Report and, when it comes to fillrates the GTX 970 is already bottlenecked elsewhere. With a peak pixel rate of 4 pixels per clock per SMM, the GTX 970’s 13 SMMs inherently limit the card to 52px/clock, versus the 56px/clock rate for the card’s 56 ROPs. This is distinct from the GTX 980, where every stage of the GPU can pump out 64px/clock, and the ROPs can consume it just as well. In the case of the GTX 970 those extra ROPs still play a role in other tasks such as MSAA and other ROP activities that don’t require consuming additional SMM output – not to mention a fully disabled ROP/MC partition would shift the bottleneck to the ROPs with only 48 ROPs vs. 13 SMMs – so the 56 ROPs are still useful to have, but for basic pixel operations the GTX 970 has been bound by its SMM count from the start.

As for the memory segmentation, there are 3 basic scenarios to consider, only one of which has the potential to impact the GTX 970 in particular. In all cases with less than 3.5GB of memory allocated the GTX 970 behaves just as if it had a single segment, with no corner cases to be concerned about. Meanwhile in cases with more than 4GB of memory allocation the GTX 970 will still spill over to PCIe, just as the GTX 980 does, typically crushing performance in both cases. This leaves the last case as the only real concern, which is memory allocations between 3.5GB and 4GB.

GeForce GTX 970 Theoretical Memory Bandwidth
Segment Memory
Fast Segment (3.5GB) 192GB/sec
Slow Segment (512MB) 28GB/sec
PCIe System Memory 16GB/sec

In the case of memory allocations between 3.5GB and 4GB, what happens is unfortunately less-than-deterministic. The use of heuristics to determine which resources to allocate to which memory segment, though the correct solution in this case, means that the real world performance impact is going to vary on a game-by-game basis. If NVIDIA’s heuristics and driver team do their job correctly, then the performance impact versus a theoretical single-segment 4GB card should only be a few percent. Even in cases where the entire 4GB space is filled with in-use resources, picking resources that don’t need to be accessed frequently can sufficiently hide the lack of bandwidth from the 512MB segment. This is after all just a permutation on basic caching principles.

The worst case scenario on the other hand would be to have the NVIDIA heuristics fail, or alternatively ending up with a workload where no great solution exists, and over 3.5GB of resources must be repeatedly and heavily accessed. In this case there is certainly the potential for performance to crumple, especially if accessing resources in the slow segment is a blocking action. And in this case the GTX 970 would still perform better than a true 3.5GB card since the slow segment is still much faster than system memory, but it’s nonetheless significantly slower than the 3.5GB segment as well.

But perhaps the most frustrating scenario isn’t having more than 3.5GB of necessary resources, but having more than 3.5GB of unnecessary resources due to caching by the application. One VRAM utilization strategy for games is to allocate as much VRAM as they can get their hands on and then hold onto it for internal resource caching, increased view distances, or other less immediate needs. The Frostbite engine behind the Battlefield series (and an increasing number of other EA games) is one such example, as it will opportunistically allocate additional VRAM for the purpose of increasing draw distances. For something like a game this actually makes a lot of sense at the application level – games are generally monolithic applications that are the sole program being interacted with at the time – but it makes VRAM allocation tracking all the trickier as it obfuscates what a game truly needs versus what it merely wants to hold onto for itself. In this case tracking resources by usage is still one option, though like the overall theme of real world performance implications, it’s going to be strongly dependent on the individual application.

In any case, the one bit of good news here is that for gaming running out of VRAM is generally rather obvious. Running out of VRAM, be it under normal circumstances or going over the GTX 970’s 3.5GB segment, results in some very obvious stuttering and very poor minimum framerates. So if it does happen then it will be easy to spot. Running out of (fast) VRAM isn’t something that can easily be hidden if the VRAM is truly needed.

To that end in the short amount of time we’ve had to work on this article we have also been working on cooking up potential corner cases for the GTX 970 and have so far come up empty, though we’re by no means done. Coming up with real (non-synthetic) gaming workloads that can utilize between 3.5GB and 4GB of VRAM while not running into a rendering performance wall is already a challenge, and all the more so when trying to find such workloads that actually demonstrate performance problems. This at first glance does seem to validate NVIDIA’s overall claims that performance is not significantly impacted by the memory segmentation, but we’re going to continue looking to see if that holds up. In the meantime NVIDIA seems very eager to find such corner cases as well, and if there are any they’d like to be able to identify what’s going on and tweak their heuristics to resolve them.

Ultimately we find ourselves going a full circle back to something NVIDIA initially said about the matter, which is that the performance impact of the GTX 970’s configuration is already baked into the results we have. After all, the configuration is not a bug or other form of unexpected behavior, and NVIDIA has been fully abstracting and handling the memory segments since the GTX 970’s initial launch. So while today’s revelation gives us a better understanding of how GTX 970 operates and what the benefits and drawbacks are, that information alone doesn’t change how the card behaves.

Closing Thoughts

Bringing things to a close, I must admit I was a bit taken aback when NVIDIA first told us that they needed to correct the specifications for the GTX 970. We’ve had NVIDIA decline to disclose sensitive information before only to reveal it later, but they’ve never had to do something quite like this before. In retrospect these new specifications make more sense given the performance and device specs we’re seeing, but it certainly is going to leave egg on NVIDIA’s face as this never should have happened in the first place.

As for the GTX 970’s underlying memory configuration and memory allocation techniques, this is going to be a more difficult matter to bring closure to. Without question the GTX 970’s unusual memory configuration introduces a layer of complexity that isn’t there with the GTX 980, and as a result it’s extremely difficult to quantify better and worse in this case. It’s worse than the GTX 980 – and it is a lower tier card after all – but how much worse is no longer an easy answer to provide.

At its heart the GTX 970’s configuration is a compromise between GPU yields, card prices, and memory capacity. The easiest argument to make in that regard is that it should have shipped with a full 64 ROP configuration and skipped all of these complexities entirely. But on the whole and looking at the options for configurations without this additional complexity, a 3GB/48 ROP GTX 970 would have been underspeced, and with so much of the GTX 970’s success story being NVIDIA’s ability to launch the card at $329 I’m not sure if the other option is much better. At least on paper this looks like the best compromise NVIDIA could make.

In the end while I am disappointed that these details haven’t come out until now, I am satisfied that we now finally have enough information in hand to truly understand what’s going on with the GTX 970 and what its strengths and weaknesses are as a result of memory segmentation. Meanwhile for real world performance, right now this is an ongoing test with the GTX 970. As the highest-profile card to use memory segmentation it’s the first time NVIDIA has been under the microscope like this, but it’s far from the first time they’ve used this technology. But so far with this new information we have been unable to break the GTX 970, which means NVIDIA is likely on the right track and the GTX 970 should still be considered as great a card now as it was at launch. In which case what has ultimately changed today is not the GTX 970, but rather our perception of it.

Segmented Memory Allocation in Software


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  • Jon Tseng - Monday, January 26, 2015 - link

    Storm in a teacup.

    The benchmarks everyone ran at launch which showed its a screaming card at a great price still stand.

    Very happy with my 970. It's a screaming card which I got for a great place. Move along now.
  • Inteli - Monday, January 26, 2015 - link

    Agreed. Especially at 1080p, I haven't noticed any noticeable drops in frame rate attributed to a lack of VRAM. I think the people hurting the most will be those who bought 2 for SLI at 1440p or higher. I do feel bad for them, but not bad enough that I'm going to stop buying Nvidia. Reply
  • nutmeg2000 - Monday, January 26, 2015 - link

    Looks as if nvidia had some shills jump into the comments section right quick.

    It's great that sites are starting to investigate this major issue now and it will reveal more on the deception nvidia has engaged into with their gtx 970 marketing. We will begin to learn more soon and see what sort of legal trouble nvidia has created with their illegal marketing.

    Major issue for nvidia and not surprising to see nvidia shills in commet areas like this trying to downplay what is going to be a huge issue for them going forward.
  • Letitbewilder - Monday, January 26, 2015 - link

    Some paranoia there but yes nvidia is in hot water and will be trying to lessen the impact this has on their business. Major trouble here and surely a lawsuit is coming for them as in the past with the bunpgate situation. I welcome the test work sites are in the midst of now and hope nvidia makes.good on this significant issue with the gtx 970. Reply
  • Taneli - Monday, January 26, 2015 - link

    A clear case for a class action suit here Reply
  • Thepotisleaking - Monday, January 26, 2015 - link

    The coming weeks are sure to be....


  • FlushedBubblyJock - Friday, January 30, 2015 - link

    I recall not that long ago here, AMD was embarrassed and in a similar situation, I believe it was the Bulldozer core, that was said to have like 2 billion transistors for 6 months or more after release, then right here Anand posted as part of another article, the updated chart with the only 1.5B transistors, and said AMD gave him the new much lower number with no explanation as to why, and then it was immediately dropped, as if no harm no foul.
    It was amazing at the time, AMD got a big fat free pass on a giant spec lie.
  • Overmind - Wednesday, February 4, 2015 - link

    They didn't disable millions of transistors. It was just a wrong number written somewhere. Reply
  • FlushedBubblyJock - Friday, January 30, 2015 - link

    Well, it was 2billion transistors for AMD's bullldozer that dropped not to just 1.5, but lower, to 1.2 -
    " The actual transistor count for Bulldozer is apparently 1.2 billion transistors. I don't have an explanation as to why the original number was wrong.."
    So when AMD does it, it's ok, no explanation necessary... and...the next line is ridiculous praise..

    "Despite the downward revision in Bulldozer's transistor count by 800M, AMD's first high-end 32nm processor still boasts a higher transistor density than any of its 45nm predecessors "

    LOL - it's okay, AMD does it and gets a total pass, so don't worry about it.

  • mrloadingscreen - Friday, January 30, 2015 - link

    It's okay because no one who actually cares about technology much less transistor count bought a bulldozer. Reply

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