Final Words

The latest AMD Athlon 64 processors bring with them performance improvements, and a new round of potential compatibility issues. Venice, San Diego, and Toledo (x2) all have the 90nm manufacturing advantage and the addition of SSE3 instructions. While they will all potentially work on any Socket 939 board, all three new processors require a BIOS update, which may or may not be available for your favorite board.

In general, motherboards based on the nForce4, VIA K8T890, Uli1689, SiS 756, and ATI Crossfire AMD will likely already have a BIOS released that will work with x2 processors or one will be coming shortly. Those with motherboards based on the earlier nForce3 chipset may not be so lucky - as BIOS' that support x2 on nForce3 are just starting to appear. We are told nF3 support for x2 is coming, but it is definitely coming more slowly. This means most Socket 939 boards with AGP video may not be supported right now with an x2 BIOS upgrade. We say most, because the new ULi 1689 chipset does support both AGP and x2, and some of the older but popular VIA AGP boards have x2 BIOS updates available.

AMD has also added additional "hidden" features in the AMD on-processor memory controller. Additional asynchronous ratios are available at 433, 466, and 500 memory speed on boards that implement the necessary code to access these memory controller features. These options should be available with any Revision E chip if the manufacturer implements the controller option read in BIOS. We saw the additional options "magically" appear on an Abit AN8 Fatality motherboard when a 4200+ x2 processor was used.

Unfortunately the long-rumored 1T Command Rate with Rev. E AMD processors appears to have been just a rumor. We could not run 4 matched dimms at 1T in a motherboard with Rev. E/x2 support. Four dimms still required a 2T Command Rate.

You should consider our list of Official and Unofficial Dual-core support to be a unified Revision E list. AMD tells us that Revision E support is part of the requirement for x2, so you can assume any x2 capable board will also properly support Venice and San Diego.

Fortunately for those shopping for a new Socket 939 motherboard there are many new boards that support Revision E and x2 processors. We hope the information in the article will make your search for a new motherboard for an Athlon 64 an easier process. If we overlooked boards and/or BIOS revisions that belong in our Supported list please let us know.

Socket 939 Motherboards with Dual-Core BIOS
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  • arswihart - Friday, July 8, 2005 - link

    epox has release official dual-core BIOS's for the 9npa+ and 9npa SLI
  • leexgx - Thursday, July 7, 2005 - link

    -mood mode on-
    silly post system
    -mood mode off(ish)- :)

    why are you lot setting your self on fire when its only been out for an week or so every board by the end of the month will get its bios updates put up (well the ones that do realy support it)
  • leexgx - Thursday, July 7, 2005 - link

  • OldDummy - Monday, July 4, 2005 - link

    The FN95 V3 motherboard works with the X2. This is the motherboard in the SN95G5 V3,It works well.
  • SUOrangeman - Saturday, July 2, 2005 - link

    The Shuttle released a new BIOS for the SN25P on 21 June. The linked README doesn't refer to this new release (yet), but I'm hoping that it has something to do with X2 support.

    http://global.shuttle.com/Download/Download_File.a...
  • OldDummy - Thursday, June 30, 2005 - link

    Shuttle SN95G5 V3 has problems with the X2 but a bios is in the works.
  • Wesley Fink - Thursday, June 30, 2005 - link

    The chart on page 4 has been updated based on information sent in by readers - Thank you. If we could verify the BIOS existed and claimed x2 support by the mfg, then it was added to the list.

    If we have overlooked any x2 BIOS please let us know. The motherboard supported, BIOS rev date, and where the BIOS can be downloaded would help us in verifying the information.
  • porn loader - Thursday, June 30, 2005 - link

    The new DFI UT LP NF3 Ultra-D supports rev E/x2 cpus right out of the box..
  • 100proof - Thursday, June 30, 2005 - link

    I don't believe this question has been asked yet. In refference to the comments concerning the addiotion of 433, 466, and 500 DDR speeds for Revision E processors, which motherboards currently have bios releases that support these speeds?
  • ceefka - Thursday, June 30, 2005 - link

    Likewise. a very useful article.

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