Discussing Corporate Structure, Strategy and Kirin 950

As noted in the last few pages, Huawei’s structure falls into multiple domains. As a result, the three main groups involved in research, design and product are the Consumer Business Group (Smartphones, Mobile Broadband), the Carrier Business Group (Core Networks, Wireless Networks) and the Enterprise Business Group (Infrastructure, Data Centers, Security). In discussing the handset division with Bruce Lee, VP of the Handset Line Division, we learned that Huawei invests 10% of its revenue for the CBG back into research and development, with around $20 billion revenue expected to 2015 resulting in $2 billion for R&D.

To put this into perspective for other fabless semiconductor businesses, MediaTek at their recent Analyst day quoted around 20-30% of the revenue for R&D (~ca $900-1200m). It was not indicated if the 10% value given to us was is a function of HiSilicon's investment, or if this was CBG, or Huawei as a whole - the Mediatek number as also broad and encompasses the company compared to the number from Huawei which is most likely just one division of the company. This makes investment spending difficult to compare, given the different markets each of the two participate.

It was clear that Huawei is very conscious about their brand image, and on this media tour it was reiterated that both the pronunciation of Huawei and the perceived opinion purely of being from China might weigh heavily on that direct image. We were told that despite this, due to Huawei’s long tenure as a global brand, they saw merit in pursuing (at least in the handset market) the brand recognition that comes with tying their enterprises together. Constant year-on-year talks internally on potential branding issues are being held, but despite any perceived conflict of utility or nationality ‘Huawei’ as a noun to associate with mobile devices is here to stay for brand combination. To that extent, Huawei was happy to promote their places in Forbes' lists and the Brandz ‘Top 100 Most Valuable Brands’ list at #70, valued at $15.35 billion.

Part of that mantra is a large push from Huawei for their presence in stores globally, either as segments in a general smartphone store or their own branded premises. As a result, as shown on the slide above, the number of sales channels for Huawei in 1H2015 has grown 56% with a total of ~32000 new sales outlets being built in 2015 alone. This is a heavy contributor to the sales figures in smartphones, which for 1H2015 is around 48.2 million (+39% year-on-year), with end-year figures projected at 100 million. Huawei was keen to stress that 30% of these sales (so 30 million units) were mid-to-high end smartphones, which Huawei classifies as any handset over 400 Euros. In that regard, 30 million units at 400 euros gives 12 billion euros in revenue, at a minimum, on just 30% of sales. This according to Huawei leads to a CAGR of 45% since 2009, when they sold only 3 million units in a year.

Huawei was keen to talk market share, which led to the chart using GfK data. They have put Huawei in at #1 for China with 15% of the market share, absorbing Samsung’s market while Apple hovers around 11-12%, and Huawei at 9.5% globally. The other home grown provider, Xiaomi, sits at 5.6%. We asked specifically about Huawei’s thoughts on Xiaomi as an important rival, but the interesting answer came back in that while Huawei sees Xiaomi as a significant player in the Asian markets, but at this current time on the global scale they only look towards Apple and Samsung as the major players.

Because of the high-to-mid smartphone sales numbers, we were given a small glimpse into how Huawei is approaching some of the specific regional markets in Europe, with penetration figures. Now ultimately these figures are very cherry picked, but they show that out of the €400-€500 markets:

  • In Spain, Huawei has 12.4% (€400-€500 is 45.7% of total)
  • In Italy, Huawei has 10.9% (€400-€500 is 27.9% of total)
  • In Belgium, Huawei has 11.7% (€400-€500 is 18.9% of total)
  • In Portugal, Huawei has 10.6% (€400-€500 is 18.8% of total)

It’s worth noting that for those Spain numbers, 12.4% of that one market, of which the market is 45.7% of the whole, means that Huawei’s mid-to-high offerings account for 5.67% of the whole market for Spain. The reason why Huawei is quoting numbers like this is to show their presence in that high-end smartphone space where typical middle-class users with a bit of spare spending money are deciding to buy their devices.

For high end devices, we were told that the Mate 7 has sold over seven million units, the P7 has sold over eight million units, and the P8 that was released back in April is already at three million units. We probed further and learned that the sales curves for the P8 are currently outclassing the P7 for the first few months after launch, but exact graphical representations were not on hand at the time. We asked for them, and our hosts promised to at least put in the request if these numbers can/will be made public.

Throughout all of this, it became clear that there was a elephant in the room. Because this media tour was for publications that have HQs were in the US, a lot of discussion around Huawei’s presence in the United States was on the cards – or more specifically, the lack of Huawei’s presence. While there has been a number of handsets that have made it none of them are Kirin powered but instead use Qualcomm platforms. Of course, a Kirin device could be sourced online, but Huawei has not yet put Kirin in the hands of the general public and initiated a big push beyond handing devices to smartphone reviews and launch events.

Historically we know this to be an issue surrounding the unique CDMA requirements for the US market, and we were informed that Huawei’s approach is multilayered. At the top is their collaboration with Qualcomm’s SoCs which they feel fit in very nicely with the current North American desire and distribution – for the tech press it’s a known quantity, a known company, and there can be straightforward comparisons between other handsets allowing Huawei’s design philosophy to show through. The next layer surrounds having the right IP to enable CDMA, let alone have it certified on a Kirin chipset. Huawei said that while the 950 is currently not part of this program, and they are working on licensing the relevant technologies (from Qualcomm) in order to do so, which may or may not be in future roadmaps but there are plenty of variables to this equation and it is not as straightforward as one might imagine. The third is time, as CDMA certification on a new chipset (regardless of the licensed IP) is both expensive and long, and Huawei needs to decide if it is the right thing to do within their strategy.

At this time it presents a difficult situation for Huawei – the desire to be as vertically integrated as possible and yet still penetrate one of the largest markets in the world, despite the fact that there are no guarantees of success. It was remarked on several occasions that firms based in China such as Huawei are often seen as conservative and won’t rush certain aspects of their design without a guaranteed payoff, although that attitude is changing somewhat with Huawei given their push with TSMC’s 16nm FinFET+ node on the Kirin 950 chipset, and being the first to build a fully integrated mobile SoC on this process. Along with custom IP efforts such as a hybrid LPDDR3/LPDDR4 memory controller, Huawei’s was able to build up a new Imaging R&D division allowing it to build a custom image signal processor, offering another point of differentiation and potential.

Huawei currently sees itself on the up, there is no doubt about that, and their willingness to open up further to journalists outside of China is a very pleasing step. For the smartphone market, Huawei sees itself in a quite comfortable third position worldwide, sitting behind the big two and constantly growing. There are barriers to overcome, both with design implementations and local market applications.

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  • s.yu - Tuesday, December 8, 2015 - link

    No. Apple does use the newest, most advanced technology. Huawei doesn't upgrade unless it has to, and focuses on making old tech look like new to the consumer.

    Apple's started using NVMe, Huawei's still on eMMC. Look at that insane A9X(Yes I know it's tablet only), look at that puny Kirin950. Huawei's got the head start, of a month or two, but the Kirin will turn out the weakest of the next generation's flagship SoCs.

    Huawei only implemented Force Touch after Apple used it in the Watch(and they still haven't shipped it), but they've gotten the domestic ultra-nationalist fanboys to believe that Huawei came up with it first. Despicable.
  • mayankleoboy1 - Monday, December 7, 2015 - link

    Since only samsung has their own fabs, here is a suggestion:

    Huawei buy all the fab capacity of TSMC using its own funds and that of the Chinese Government ? Apple will go to Samsung, which they are loathe to do. And Intel wont fab anything for
    Apple. So effectively, Apple will be able to produce only 10%-50% of their phones.
  • Goyim - Monday, December 7, 2015 - link

    Proper Pronunciation.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGAqvpYLiGw
  • garbagedisposal - Wednesday, December 9, 2015 - link

    Pronunciation in that video is wrong, see s.yu's comment above
  • Ethos Evoss - Friday, December 11, 2015 - link

    Don't understand anandatech in final words why u bringing usa into case?!?
    And problems with certifications or licences in USA..
    Anandatech are you so naive or you just pretending to be stupid?
    What you think why chinese companies has problems in USA?
    Because it is on purpose and because USA is scared chinas business like devil hy water..
    Anamdatech do you even know how politics works in ANY sphere of busines or facilities or governments?
    Everything is just on purpose to protect own busines.. (country)
    If would be allowed so easily hinese brands into USA, USA busines woud be DEVOURED by flipping fingers..
    And am telling you without China USA electronic brands wouldn't exist. as it is now..
    And in first you have to take in accout it isn't about brands which is better or which is on higher level because they are all on the same level MAIN reason is ADVERTISE and POPULARITY
    USA (bcos acoodring you it is don't know why main country of interest) will BAN prohibite any advertising of chinese brands in its country THAT is the main reason.. Bcos is scared
    Like you said you have bunch of kiddos readers which blabling about apple how it is best just bcos advertise allowed across the globe. BUT most of these poor peope doesn't own it..
    Ppl complainig about 4G not working in USA.. why it is perfectly working in rest of the world? BECAUSE USA om purpose won't allow them certification use their bands..
    And you just decide to strike in Huawei they are like ; WTF is this.. they has no idea and you e pecting they gonna tell you everything.. And you wondering why so many secrets..
    I tell you what, do same tour into Apple and demand all secrets wht they got I am really curious wht they would tell you
    PEACE!

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