DDR4 vs DDR3L on the CPU

One of the big questions when DDR4 was launched was around the comparison to DDR3. Was it better, was it worse? DDR4 by default switches down to an operating voltage of 1.2 volts from 1.5 volts, making it more power efficient, and the standard increases the maximum capacity on an unbuffered memory module. There are also some other enhancements such as per-IC voltage drop control and a design to aid DRAM placement in motherboards. But there was one big scary number – a CAS Latency of 15 (known as C15 or CL15).

Let’s do a quick memory recap on frequency (technically, transfer rate but used interchangeably for this purpose) against latency.

The CAS latency is the number of clocks taken between an access request from the memory controller to actually acting on that request. So a CL of 15 means that there are 15 clocks between that request and getting access. Generally, a lower CL is better.

The Frequency is the rate at which those clocks occur. DDR stands for Double Data Rate, which means that in one hertz in the frequency there are two requests – one each on the rise and fall of the clock signal. The reciprocal of the frequency/transfer rate (one divided by the frequency) is the time taken to perform a clock.

But the important thing here is that the latency is a number of clocks and thus is just a number, and the frequency determines how fast these clocks go. So on its own the CAS Latency value doesn’t say much.  The important metric is when the two are used together -the true latency is the CAS Latency * Time taken per clock, and here’s a table of values from Crucial’s recent whitepaper on the subject:

So here we have the values for True Latency:

DDR3-1600 C11: 13.75 nanoseconds
DDR4-2133 C15: 14.06 nanoseconds

In fact despite the development of new memory interfaces, the true latency for DRAM under default specifications has stayed roughly the same since DDR. As we make faster memory modules, the CAS Latency rises to keep higher frequency memory stable, but overall the true latency stays the same.

Normally in our DRAM reviews I refer to the performance index, which has a similar effect in gauging general performance:

DDR3-1600 C11: 1600/11 = 145.5
DDR4-2133 C15: 2133/15 = 142.2

As you have faster memory, you get a bigger number, and if you reduce the CL, we get a bigger number also. Thus for comparing memory kits, if the difference > 10, then the kit with the biggest performance index tends to win out, though for similar kits the one with the highest frequency is preferred.

“But who uses DDR3-1600 C11? Isn’t most memory like DDR3-1866 C9?”

This is valid point – as DDR3 has matured, the number of kits in the market that are running faster than default specifications are actually normal now. The performance index for this kit is:

DDR3-1866 C9: 1866/9 = 207.3

In the grand scheme of things, a PI of 207 is actually quite large, and super high for DDR3L. There are a few DDR3 memory kits that go beyond this up to a PI of 220, or an overclock might go to 240 beyond normal voltages, but a value of 207 shows the maturity of the DDR3 market.  If we look at the current DDR4 market, we can pick up kits with DDR4-3000 C15 ratings, which are similarly in the 200 bracket now too.

I’ve prefaced our DDR3L vs DDR4 testing with all this as a response to ‘large CL = bad’. Actually, you have to compare both numbers. Now that we have a platform that runs both, and we were able to source a beta DDR3L/DDR4 combination motherboard to test them on, we can see how it squares up from ‘regular DDR4’ against ‘high performance DDR3(L)’.

For these tests, both sets of numbers were run at 3.0 GHz with hyperthreading disabled.  Memory speeds were DDR4-2133 C15 and DDR3-1866 C9 respectively.

Dolphin Benchmark: link

Many emulators are often bound by single thread CPU performance, and general reports tended to suggest that Haswell provided a significant boost to emulator performance. This benchmark runs a Wii program that raytraces a complex 3D scene inside the Dolphin Wii emulator. Performance on this benchmark is a good proxy of the speed of Dolphin CPU emulation, which is an intensive single core task using most aspects of a CPU. Results are given in minutes, where the Wii itself scores 17.53 minutes.

Dolphin Emulation Benchmark

Cinebench R15

Cinebench is a benchmark based around Cinema 4D, and is fairly well known among enthusiasts for stressing the CPU for a provided workload. Results are given as a score, where higher is better.

Cinebench R15 - Single Threaded

Cinebench R15 - Multi-Threaded

Point Calculations – 3D Movement Algorithm Test: link

3DPM is a self-penned benchmark, taking basic 3D movement algorithms used in Brownian Motion simulations and testing them for speed. High floating point performance, MHz and IPC wins in the single thread version, whereas the multithread version has to handle the threads and loves more cores. For a brief explanation of the platform agnostic coding behind this benchmark, see my forum post here.

3D Particle Movement: Single Threaded

3D Particle Movement: MultiThreaded

Compression – WinRAR 5.0.1: link

Our WinRAR test from 2013 is updated to the latest version of WinRAR at the start of 2014. We compress a set of 2867 files across 320 folders totaling 1.52 GB in size – 95% of these files are small typical website files, and the rest (90% of the size) are small 30 second 720p videos.

WinRAR 5.01, 2867 files, 1.52 GB

Image Manipulation – FastStone Image Viewer 4.9: link

Similarly to WinRAR, the FastStone test us updated for 2014 to the latest version. FastStone is the program I use to perform quick or bulk actions on images, such as resizing, adjusting for color and cropping. In our test we take a series of 170 images in various sizes and formats and convert them all into 640x480 .gif files, maintaining the aspect ratio. FastStone does not use multithreading for this test, and thus single threaded performance is often the winner.

FastStone Image Viewer 4.9

Video Conversion – Handbrake v0.9.9: link

Handbrake is a media conversion tool that was initially designed to help DVD ISOs and Video CDs into more common video formats. The principle today is still the same, primarily as an output for H.264 + AAC/MP3 audio within an MKV container. In our test we use the same videos as in the Xilisoft test, and results are given in frames per second.

HandBrake v0.9.9 LQ Film

HandBrake v0.9.9 2x4K

Rendering – PovRay 3.7: link

The Persistence of Vision RayTracer, or PovRay, is a freeware package for as the name suggests, ray tracing. It is a pure renderer, rather than modeling software, but the latest beta version contains a handy benchmark for stressing all processing threads on a platform. We have been using this test in motherboard reviews to test memory stability at various CPU speeds to good effect – if it passes the test, the IMC in the CPU is stable for a given CPU speed. As a CPU test, it runs for approximately 2-3 minutes on high end platforms.

POV-Ray 3.7 Beta RC4

Synthetic – 7-Zip 9.2: link

As an open source compression tool, 7-Zip is a popular tool for making sets of files easier to handle and transfer. The software offers up its own benchmark, to which we report the result.

7-zip Benchmark

Overall: DDR4 vs DDR3L on the CPU

Pretty sure the results speak for themselves:

Comparing default DDR4 to a high performance DDR3 memory kit is almost an equal contest. Having the faster frequency helps for large frame video encoding (HandBrake HQ) as well as WinRAR which is normally memory intensive. The only real benchmark loss was FastStone, which regressed by one second (out of 48 seconds).

End result, looking at the CPU test scores, is that upgrading to DDR4 doesn’t degrade performance from your high end DRAM kit, and you get the added benefit of future upgrades, faster speeds, lower power consumption due to the lower voltage and higher density modules.

Overclocking, Test Setup, Power Consumption Skylake i7-6700K DRAM Testing: DDR4 vs DDR3L on Gaming
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  • ES_Revenge - Friday, August 14, 2015 - link

    Umm what the heck happened to the power consumption? In particular the i7/6700K. It's not really shown thoroughly in this review but the Broadwell CPUs are more power-efficient it seems. While the 6700K has a half GHz faster clock speed, it also has a much lesser GPU. To begin with, both the i5 and i7 Skylake parts have higher TDPs than the Broadwell desktop parts, and then the 6700K can actually draw over 100W when loaded. This is above its TDP and also significantly more than its 6600K counterpart which runs only a few hundred MHz slower. Odd.

    I mean I think we were all waiting for a desktop CPU that didn't have the power constraints as the Broadwell CPUs did but I don't think this is exactly what anyone was expecting. It's like these Skylake CPUs don't just take more power but they do so...for no reason at all. Sure they're faster but not hugely so; and, again, their iGPUs are significantly slower than Broadwell's. So their slight speed advantage came at the price of markedly increased power consumption over the previous gen.

    That only leads me to the question--WTF? lol What happened here with the power consumption? And losing that IVR didn't seem to help anything, eh? Skylake is fast and all but TBH I was more impressed *overall* with Broadwell (and those CPUs you can't even find for sale anywhere, the last time I checked--a few weeks ago). Granted as we've seen in 2nd part of the Broadwell review it's not a stellar OCer but still, overall it seems better to me than Skylake.

    It's kind of funny because when Broadwell DT launched I was thinking of how "Intel is mainly focusing on power consumption these days", meaning I thought they weren't focused enough on performance of DT CPUs. But it seems they've just thrown that out the window but the performance isn't anything *spectacular* from these CPUs, so it just seems like a step backwards. It's like with Broadwell they were showing just how much performance they could do with both CPU and iGPU with a minimum of power consumption--and the result was impressive. Here it's like they just forgot about that and said "It's Skylake...it's new and better! Everyone buy it!" Not really that impressive.
  • janolsen - Friday, August 14, 2015 - link

    Stupid question:
    Can Skylake IGP easily play back 4K video. Thinking of a person just using a 4K screen for Youtube stuff, not gaming...
  • ES_Revenge - Saturday, August 15, 2015 - link

    Yeah it can. This one of the very few improvements over Broadwell/previous HD Graphics implementations. It has a "full" HEVC decode solution built in, unlike the "hybrid" solutions they had previously. If you look on the 4th page of the review it actually goes pretty in-depth about this (not sure how you missed that?).
  • alacard - Friday, August 14, 2015 - link

    It's clear you put a ton of work into this Ian, many thanks.
  • Flash13 - Monday, August 17, 2015 - link

    So, far Intel Core i7-6700K 8M Skylake Quad-Core 4.0GHz is just vapor to the public.
  • somatzu - Wednesday, August 19, 2015 - link

    "So where'd you get your degree?"

    "Anandtech comments section."
  • superjim - Friday, August 21, 2015 - link

    I'm still not convinced this is a worthwhile upgrade from Sandy Bridge. If I can get 4.8 from a 2700K and maybe 4.6 from a 6700k, factor in cost difference, is it really worth it? At the end of the day, cpu/mobo/ram would be near $700 for maybe a 15% speed bump overall.
  • watzupken - Friday, September 4, 2015 - link

    From a desktop standpoint, there is very little incentive for one to upgrade. The new gen mainly targets power savings, so likely to benefit mobile users, i.e. Ultra Books and tablets.

    As far as Intel is trying to target those people still on Sandy and Ivy Bridge to upgrade, they fail to account for the cost of upgrade for a paltry improvement in performance. To upgrade from SB, one has to upgrade the ram, motherboard and CPU, and on top of that, need to separately purchase a heatsink since they want to cut cost.
  • CynicalCyanide - Saturday, August 22, 2015 - link

    Question to the Authors: You've noted two DDR4 equipped mobos in the "Test Setup" section, but you've also tested DDR3 equipped Skylake. Which motherboard did you use for that?

    Furthermore, in a previous article it was mentioned that Z170 wouldn't be able to handle 'regular' 1.5V DDR3, but here apparently it wasn't an issue reusing old 1.5V RAM after a voltage adjustment. Was there any special method required aside from booting as per normal into the BIOS and adjusting the voltage?
  • TiberiuC - Saturday, August 22, 2015 - link

    Everything comes down eventualy to "Intel vs AMD". What Intel did with Core2Duo was the right path to go, what AMD did was so wrong and that sometimes happen when you inovate. AMD stopped with the last FX series and went back to the drawing board and that is a wise decision. What will ZEN do? i am expecting Ivi Bridge performance maybe touching haswell here and there. If this wont happen, it is bad for them and very bad for us. Intel is starting to milk the customers acting like there is a monopoly. I did buy my 2600k for 300$ (after rebates), i have to say that the price of the 6700k is well, meh...

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