AMD A10-7870K Conclusion

AMD knows, and most of the press knows, that the release of a Kaveri Refresh line of APUs is not going to set the world alight in a miasma of queues outside brick and mortar stores or bundles of pre-orders. In the PC industry at least, that rarely happens outside of graphics cards anyway, but for AMD the Kaveri Refresh APU launched today (and those following) plays an important role in their iterative stance.

At the top of the review we described that this APU is formed from a combination of better silicon management, some mild optimization, better binning and a very slight increase in stock voltage (50 millivolts) and gives a frequency bump in both the CPU and a massive 20% on the integrated graphics. If that level of gain was leveraged mid-cycle by a discrete graphics manufacturer, it would be making some waves in technology forums at least. But like a discrete GPU, 20% better frequency doesn’t mean 20% better performance, and the gain is very title dependent.

AMD’s target for the Kaveri Refresh is decidedly mass market. With the popularity of eSports growing, particularly with graphically simple games such as Counter Strike, League of Legends, DOTA2 and others being on the tips of the tongue of many young gamers, the A10-7870K launch was focused away from the more classic technology media. It was directed towards the Twitch streaming and the competitive gaming demographic that care more about cost, responsiveness and optimizing performance rather than a gamut of office and professional based testing. As these users are typically teenagers/20s with low-to-mid range budgets to build or buy pre-built gaming machines, AMD’s own testing focused on performance comparisons at that price range, showcasing that a comparative Intel machine was either more expensive, gave worse gameplay, or both.

Our testing verified those claims, and puts the A10-7870K at the top of the integrated gaming stack that can fit into custom PC builds. While we didn’t get a 20% boost in performance, almost all of our graphics tests saw a gain over the previous head of the Kaveri list, the A10-7850K, and a good sizeable boost when it comes to minimum frame rates:

GRID: Autosport on Integrated Graphics [Minimum FPS]

Despite AMD’s focus for the unit, for the sake of system builders or cheaper office system developers, we did run our usual gamut of office and professional level tests. Typically in this case we compare direct to an Intel CPU of similar price. AMD’s Heterogeneous System Architecture push, and OpenCL 1.0 near-full compatibility (save GPU context switching) allows a boost in the software that has specifically been engineered down this route – AMD likes to promote LibreOffice, PCMark 8 and BasemarkCL for this. In the pure CPU route, AMD’s mid-range 3.7 GHz processors typically do better here due to the weaker GPU making the processor less expensive and more price/performance competitive, and as a result the A10-7870K doesn’t compare favorably if you have a pure CPU workload and rely on throughput. That being said, relying on throughput and worrying about price is a double-edged sword to begin with. The best foot forward for AMD in this context is the OpenCL capabilities and compatible software, and then it happens to do the regular stuff as well.

At $137 though, the A10-7870K becomes a more interesting prospect than when the A10-7850K was launched around $170, especially in that eSports gaming space. Over the past year or so, PC component manufacturers have all asked me to explain how I view the ecosystem as of late, especially when it comes to gaming. My answer is relatively simple – there are two markets: one for the under 25s and one for the over 25s. In the first market, you have gamers still in school and on low budgets, but they tend to make the most noise online and love looking at flashy halo type things. The latter are the ones that have had jobs for a few years, perhaps a promotion or two and a bonus, and as a result they might splash out a bit on a good gaming system once every few years. This group is more peak performance concerned than price/performance concerned. As a result of these two groups of potential, you have to market accordingly.

AMD’s line has been encouraging the regular tech websites to test these titles, but the multiplayer nature of them makes it difficult to regulate testing without a timedemo mode or something akin to BF2’s recording mode. One of the best ways to approach this is to predict the next eSports titles and ensure there is a way to test both fairly and accurately by working with the developer – ultimately that is something difficult for the media to do. To anyone creating an indie, casual or multiplayer with AI title, I would heartily suggest a benchmark mode, as this is where the strengths of AMD’s APU line (both in terms of performance and marketing from AMD’s point of view) sit.

A lot of readers will consider that the Kaveri Refresh outlay, one SKU now and some more down the road, is a holdover towards Zen and the next architecture update from AMD coming in 2016. Part of this is true, I would agree – seeing clock speed increases (even if they are 20%) can only go so far. Two things currently grip the processor audience: performance and efficiency. The hope, as always, is that the major x86 players can deliver over the old with the new. We will wait and see.

Gaming Benchmarks: GTX 980 and R9 290X
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  • anubis44 - Wednesday, June 3, 2015 - link

    Dual-core CPUs are dead men walking for gaming. If you've already got one, fine, you'll have to upgrade very soon. But recommending buying a dual-core chip NOW is uttery unconsionable, unless it's for your grandmother to play solitaire. The damn thing will choke just running windows and a web browser these days.
  • anubis44 - Wednesday, June 3, 2015 - link

    @RafaelHershel: "Less power means less heat and less noise. It also means better performance in a (very) small case. It also means a more modest PSU."

    But it's a question of proportion. How much money do you think you're saving in electricity by paying a lot more for an Intel processor? Check this out:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBeeGHozSY0

    Not to mention in buying Intel and nVidia, you're supporting two companies with proven track records of ripping off customers, but please go right ahead and blithely do it.
  • jonez - Friday, June 5, 2015 - link

    Why use a 4 years old linux distribution, it's even older than most of the hardware being benchmarked?
    And running it live it's not ideal too, but for the purpose of intra-comparison it's not that relevant, I guess.
  • ES_Revenge - Saturday, June 6, 2015 - link

    I still don't understand why the Dual Graphics tests are not including Frame-Time Variance numbers/charts. It's one thing to have nice FPS from Dual Graphics but if the FTV is bad enough that it makes it no better than being on the solo-card (or the APU solo) then those numbers quickly become meaningless. Anandtech has commented on dual-GPU FTV stuff before, so I'm puzzled as to why it's not even mentioned as even a possible concern here with the Dual Graphics tests of the last few AMD APUs.
  • ssv - Wednesday, June 10, 2015 - link

    totally, off the track. Why is that AMD architectures are named after Indian rivers? Kaveri and Godavari are rivers in south India. I am not sure if earlier "Bima" refers to Bhima (indian again) mythological character.
  • P39Airacobra - Sunday, June 21, 2015 - link

    Sorry but 30fps at low settings and 720p is not what I would consider gaming capable! These APU's are just a waste of money! You can buy a X4 860K CPU and a old R7 260 for about the same price and actually be able to game!
  • ricster7227@gmail.com - Tuesday, July 21, 2015 - link

    I am presently running the A 5800 k APU for a couple + years and have waited a few cycles here and will take the plunge for this new chip. I presently OC to 5600 with an H-105 pushpull at about 36 degrees under load and it will be interesting to see the difference in performance and operation. I suspect this will improve my experience until my next build I7 or Zeons with ECC.
  • ricster7227@gmail.com - Sunday, August 23, 2015 - link

    The new APU is much stronger and faster than my A 5800 k. It is clocked at4400 which is slower however it is much faster for the normal office and light gaming. I can now do intensive rendering, watch and record HD video and surf the web at the same time. It stays under 30 degrees, doesn't slow down and hasn't crashed at all. I'm running the latest Insider 2010. It is a welcome addition and has increased my productivity by about double overall.
  • gearhead99 - Monday, September 28, 2015 - link

    the APU stuff is great for laptops, gimme gimme, but i don't see a good case for AM1 or FM2+. flexible upgrade path - no / cheap ECC - no / good IPC - no / good TDP - no / many cpu cores - no / low price - no. its especially unfortunate AMD has abandoned ECC. regardless of all the groaning over IPC, the bang4buck was pretty solid on AM2>AM3+
  • SviatA - Friday, October 16, 2015 - link

    Honestly, I wouldn't buy any video card in addition to any AMD APU. For me, gaming performance of my build is irrelevant since I don't like playing games. So if you are not going to do that (or use Adobe Photoshop for photo editing) then forget about Intel. APUs are good enough on power consumption and performance for simple home tasks.
    The only issue is that AMD doesn't really develop its processors. Which is a shame since they could give us impressive stuff. http://hardware.nl/amd/ad7600ybjabox.html - less than a 100, but performance wise, it will work fine.

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