Pentium-AE Is A Processor We Want, But Not The Processor We Need

Testing the Pentium G3258 has been fun. There was a well of nostalgia in me that was particularly excited to get the processor in and get a chance to play with the overclocking potential. Even though this does not seem to be a fully-fledged member of the Devil’s Canyon cohort, Intel should receive kudos for providing the ‘cheap and cheerful’ unit which might instill a new wave of overclocking enthusiasts.

While the performance at stock is nothing to shout about, the feel of the processor in its overclocked mode was fast – even faster than the top tier processors. That is benefit afforded by an overclocking platform - web browsing and any other simple operation that needs a single thread will be as quick as you can get it. The downside occurs if anything CPU-limited or multi-threaded attempts to push its workload through the system. If the software can take advantage of hyperthreading very easily, then no matter how high the Pentium-AE is overclocked, the i3 will win every time.  As we move into the future, software is becoming more adept at using these extra threads.

Intel had several choices when it came to providing a cheaper overclocking processor. It had to come with appropriate branding (20+ years of Pentium), but also not be instantly recognizable (Pentium G3258 sounds generic) and it must not interfere with their high end product lines when going for full-out performance. Unfortunately, those last two points are just some of the reasons that a gaming enthusiast might want a nicely performing system on the cheap and why the Intel Pentium-AE is not the right processor to do it with.

To start, Intel missed a trick by not calling it a K processor, but if you want a processor to not take much of the spotlight, it gets a generic name. The specifications of the processor at stock leave cause for concern. Intel could have chosen a DDR3-1600 model for unlocking, but it chose the DDR3-1333 model instead. While one could postulate that this would offer more dies to sell (by being a lower classification, more dies would fit into this bracket overall), I doubt that Intel is stretching to fill die quotas at this low end of the spectrum. The other concern comes back to the fact that Intel wanted to leave a big enough gap between the Pentium-AE and the i5/i7-K processors, so fitting the CPU with a low amount of L3 cache and DDR3 support would help in this context.

Certain games get a boost with the Pentium-AE overclocked, such as F1 2013 and Company of Heroes 2, but the overclocking is more important when it comes to multiple GPU scenarios. The downside of that conclusion is that an i3 is better at multiple GPU scenarios right off the bat, and for single GPU gaming the trend is towards games that can use the threads. This is a big discrepancy between when we used to overclock older CPU and today – the games today can use multiple cores. Having a lack of cores can really damage frame rates in some titles, especially when the amount of GPUs starts to rise. Unfortunately the only way to get more cores is to buy a better processor, or buy one that unlocks cores. The former reason in the last sentence is what helps Intel in the long run from the Pentium-AE cannibalizing i5 and i7 sales.

This review ends not so much on a conclusion, but more of a request. But given what we have seen thus far when discussing the place of the G3258 with everything else, it might be a fruitless request, but I would like to try.

Please Intel, create an i3 overclocking processor.

An i3-K Would Complete the Set

If the overclocking community is to grow, there needs to be some positive encouragement, rather than an ecosystem where a user can buy an overclocked Pentium-AE gaming machine and it is beaten by an extra $45 which might have been spent on a good cooler enabling the overclock. Having the extra power of the i3 might, in time, encourage users to expand their remit and purchase the i5/i7 and overclock it further, with a potential route to the enthusiast X-series processors over time. The dual core Pentiums are limiting the potential of discrete graphics now that gaming can take advantage of processor cores. As long as an i7-K and i5-K processors are released at the same time, an overclockable i3-K would give you the trifecta of K processors that becomes instantly marketable, along with growing and creating communities around them.

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  • jabber - Monday, July 14, 2014 - link

    Indeed but as we are told so often on these comments -

    "Huh I thought this was an enthusiasts site! No one here buys or is interested in this crap!"

    So to keep the kids happy you have to throw stupid levels of kit into the mix to keep them happy. Whereas those of us that have grown older, got kids and more cost concious just think "so what would this do in a real world setup with a $150 GPU for a bit of gaming on the side?"
  • HanzNFranzen - Monday, July 14, 2014 - link

    While reading that part of the article I was under the impression that a 770 was used to ensure that the CPU would be the bottleneck to show the maximum you could get out of it, though I could be wrong. Sorry, but I think the realistic use case was summed up pretty well in the conclusion. There really is no point in buying this processor to pair with a 750ti and try to make a budget gaming system. I say this because you are for sure going to have to buy an after market cooler to run at that high of an over clock, and the fact that I see the Haswell i3 on sale for around $110 on a pretty regular basis, you are talking about a $15 or so difference in price. So realistically, for that little bit of money, why buy a processor that you are running on at the edge of it's life at all times (high heat and voltage) instead of an i3 that can run at stock and be as good and sometimes way better in games?
  • smunter6 - Monday, July 14, 2014 - link

    Due to the low starting TDP of haswell, almost any aftermarket cooler will suffice. Combine that with the CPU+MB combos offered lately for the G3258, and a complete system can be built for much less than an i3 build.

    For example, I just built a system with a G3258 + Gigabyte B85 (yes it does support overclocking) aftermarket cooler, PSU, AMD 7850, 8 GB memory, for ~$240.
  • HanzNFranzen - Tuesday, July 15, 2014 - link

    okay, soo... minus out $75 for the processor, minus out $25 for the cpu cooler (you aren't going to run 4.7ghz everyday on something less than like a Hyper 212) =$100... now add in $110 for the i3 that's on Newegg as we speak and buy your same exact parts... $10 difference (ok plus what, like $15 for you combo discount?) so for $25 you have you same build with an i3 instead and its a much better overall performer, not overclocked to it's teeth, not running high voltage all day long. Man, you seem to really want this Pentium to be amazing and a great value... but... it's not.
  • HanzNFranzen - Tuesday, July 15, 2014 - link

    ok sorry, $112.00 for the i3...not $110.00.
  • Computer Bottleneck - Tuesday, July 15, 2014 - link

    1.) Realize $112.50 for the 3MB cache Core i3-4130 on Newegg is due to the coupon code (which expires today, 7/14). Regular Newegg price for i3-4130 is $125

    2.) Realize Ian tested G3258 against a $140 4MB cache Core i3-4330.

    For some results of G3258 against a 3MB cache Haswell Core i3, see this Anandtech forum post--> http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=3652889...
  • Computer Bottleneck - Tuesday, July 15, 2014 - link

    Based on those results I linked of 4.7 GHz Pentium G3258 vs. Core i3-4150, I think a good future comparison would be 4.5 Ghz Pentium G3258 vs. Core i3-4130.

    (4.5 GHz Pentium G3258 should be easily achievable as a budget package using a H81 non-Z overclock board and the stock HSF)
  • Computer Bottleneck - Tuesday, July 15, 2014 - link

    It would be nice to see a review with Pentium G3258 and a smaller GPU (say the R7 260X which is currently starting at $85 AR at Newegg). This tested at lower detail setting and resolution.

    Basically a budget build geared towards the budget gamer.

    Then maybe compare to i3-4130 and R7 260X, Athlon x4 750K/760K and R7 260X,etc
  • Computer Bottleneck - Wednesday, July 16, 2014 - link

    Here are some reasons I posted in the Anandtech forum on why I would like to see some additional testing of Pentium G3258 with a smaller GPU:

    http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=3653251...
  • MrSpadge - Sunday, July 27, 2014 - link

    They're not saying you would or should pair this CPU with dual GTX770's. But: if the CPU performance doesn't matter (or can't beat the i3) even for such strong GPUs, it won't matter with slower ones either.

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