Intel Haswell GT3e GPU Performance Compared to NVIDIA's GeForce GT 650M
by Anand Lal Shimpi on January 9, 2013 4:22 PM EST- Posted in
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- Intel
- Haswell
- Trade Shows
- CES 2013
Haswell isn't expected to launch until the beginning of June in desktops and quad-core notebooks, but Intel is beginning to talk performance. Intel used a mobile customer reference board in a desktop chassis featuring Haswell GT3 with embedded DRAM (the fastest Haswell GPU configuration that Intel will ship) and compared it to an ASUS UX15 with on-board NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M.
Despite the chassis difference, Intel claims it will be able to deliver the same performance from the demo today in an identical UX15 chassis by the time Haswell ships.
The video below shows Dirt 3 running at 1080p on both systems, with identical detail settings (High Quality presets, no AA, vsync off). Intel wouldn't let us report performance numbers, but subjectively the two looked to deliver very similar performance. Note that I confirmed all settings myself and ran both games myself independently of the demo. You can be the judge using the video below:
Intel wouldn't let us confirm clock speeds on Haswell vs. the Core i7 (Ivy Bridge) system, but it claimed that the Haswell part was the immediate successor to its Ivy Bridge comparison point.
As proof of Haswell's ability to fit in a notebook chassis, it did have another demo using older Haswell silicon running Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 in a notebook chassis.
Haswell GT3e's performance looked great for processor graphics. I would assume that overall platform power would be reduced since you wouldn't have a discrete GPU inside, however there's also the question of the cost of the solution. I do expect that NVIDIA will continue to drive discrete GPU performance up, but as a solution for some of the thinner/space constrained form factors (think 13-inch MacBook Pro with Retina Display, maybe 11-inch Ultrabook/MacBook Air?) Haswell could be a revolutionary step forward.
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CeriseCogburn - Thursday, January 10, 2013 - link
Yeah but oh well amd has survived with ati crapeons doing that for some years now.Before Intel was crap hardware and lacking drivers, now it's just crap drivers like amd.
ericore - Wednesday, January 9, 2013 - link
There is no doubt in my mind that Intel is heavily overclocked memory prob 2500 mhz, remember this is 1080p you absolutely need memory bandwidth. The fact that they put it in a desktop means they overclocked on air as far as she goes. So I don't disagree that DIRT 3 runs great on Haswell BT3 on the desktop, but think laptops - - - no provider is going to ship you fast ram like that and you certainly won't be able to overclock it as there are never such option in laptops. Don't forget about the SSD they through in there. That means you can play 50% of the games (the less good half) at 1080p on medium to low settings. The system would be better suited to lower resolutions 720p being the sweet spot.FYI the desktop version of GTX 650 achives 33 FPS on Dirt 3 1080p occording to anandtech on medium settings.
Intel is too easy to read for me.
karasaj - Wednesday, January 9, 2013 - link
Well just fwiw... SSD doesn't affect gaming framerates other than loading times.CeriseCogburn - Friday, February 1, 2013 - link
That's not in true in many games.I'm not saying it can't happen, but I've seen plenty of higher framerates in games from SSD's.
This occurs because some games access for instance lots of small files while in the game, hence, the frames get a boost vs traditional hard drives.
FTFY - you're welcome.
CeriseCogburn - Thursday, January 10, 2013 - link
A few people I know are thrilled to death with the GT645 w drr3 not even the ddr5, so we can poo poo Intel all we want, that won't change the fact that outside the highest standards bitchfest in here all the time, the general gaming public is going to be very pleased.ironargonaut - Friday, January 11, 2013 - link
"remember this is 1080p you absolutely need memory bandwidth."Did you factor this piece of info from the article into your comment?
"GT3 with embedded DRAM"
jwcalla - Wednesday, January 9, 2013 - link
Wait, what was the point of this article? Or was Intel due to run another one?No numbers is kinda meaningless. For all we know the 650m is CPU bound on this game at those settings.
CeriseCogburn - Friday, January 11, 2013 - link
The point of this article is Intel's new APU is smoking the h e double toothpicks out of everything the sorry and sad bankrupt amd has.... to point of amd fanboy humiliation and raging as the responses clearly showGod Bless Intel
CeriseCogburn - Friday, January 11, 2013 - link
Did you turn up the volume and hear the discussion concerning the equivalence of the cpu in the laptop boards ?No, of course you didn't, so you blabbed.. again, in pure ignorance...
Now it fits you though it did not me: blah blah blah blah
Krysto - Wednesday, January 9, 2013 - link
Anand, did you catch this?http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/9/3856050/intel-can...
I've tried to warn you before that this is what Intel will do with the "10W Haswell", too. They will make it much weaker in performance to get a lower TDP. They've been misleading enough by not saying that, and letting people believe (even you guys, actually) that it's a chip that is just as fast, but much more efficient, down to 10W.
But what's even more annoying about their misleading marketing, is that they won't even admit to it, and promote them as dual core 1.5 Ghz chips or such, when in fact they have 800 Mhz, by using the turbo-boost speed instead of the real, default speed, which is something Intel hasn't done until very recently, which just shows their desperation in the fight against ARM.
Anyway, I just hope next time you try to question Intel's press releases more, instead of taking them at face value, at least before you get a chance to test the chips yourself. Because if you don't do that, then a lot of people reading this site, and thinking that "you know what you're saying" will take that false information and spread it to other sites.
So question Intel's PR and don't take it at face value anymore. That's something you should do with every company of course, but you should especially watch out for Intel, as they've been up to no good lately, when they started becoming desperate about ARM.