The Radeon HD 7970 Reprise: PCIe Bandwidth, Overclocking, & The State Of Anti-Aliasing
by Ryan Smith on January 27, 2012 4:30 PM EST- Posted in
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Improving the State of Anti-Aliasing: Leo Makes MSAA Happen, SSAA Takes It Up A Notch
As you may recall in our initial review of the 7970, I expressed my bewilderment that AMD had not implemented Adaptive Anti-Aliasing (AAA) and Super Sample Anti-Aliasing (SSAA) for DX10+ in the Radeon HD 7000 series. There has never been a long-term AA mode gap in recent history, and it was AMD who made DX9 SSAA popular again in the first place when they made it a front-and-center feature of the Radeon HD 5000 series. AMD’s response at the time was that they preferred to find a way to have games implement these AA modes natively, which is not an unreasonable position, but an unfortunate one given the challenge in just getting game developers to implement MSAA these days.
So it was with a great deal of surprise and glee on our part that when AMD released their first driver update last week, they added an early version of AAA and SSAA support for DX10+ games. Given their earlier response this was unexpected, and in retrospect either AMD was already working on this at the time (and not ready to announce it), or they’ve managed to do a lot of work in a very short period of time.
As it stands, AMD’s DX10+ AAA/SSAA implementation is still a work in progress, and it will only work on games that natively support MSAA. Given the way the DX10+ rendering pipeline works, this is a practical compromise as it’s generally much easier to implement SSAA after the legwork has already been done to get MSAA working.
We haven’t had a lot of time to play with the new drivers, but in our testing AAA/SSAA do indeed work. A quick check with Crysis: Warhead finds that AMD’s DX10+ SSAA implementation is correctly resolving transparency aliasing and shader aliasing as it should be.
Crysis: Warhead SSAA: Transparent Texture Anti-Aliasing
Crysis: Warhead SSAA: Shader Anti-Aliasing
Of course, if DX10+ SSAA only works with games that already implement MSAA, what does this mean for future games? As we alluded to earlier, built-in MSAA support is not quite prevalent across modern games, and the DX10+ pipeline makes forcing it from the driver side a tricky endeavor at best. One of the biggest technical culprits (as opposed to quickly ported console games) is the increasing use of deferred rendering, which makes MSAA more difficult for developers to implement.
In short, in a traditional (forward) renderer, the rendering process is rather straightforward and geometry data is preserved until the frame is done rendering. And while this normally is all well and good, the one big pitfall of a forward renderer is that complex lighting is very expensive to run because you don’t know precisely which lights will hit which geometry, resulting in the lighting equivalent of overdraw where objects are rendered multiple times to handle all of the lights.
In deferred rendering however, the rendering process is modified, most fundamentally by breaking it down into several additional parts and using an additional intermediate buffer (the G-Buffer) to store the results. Ultimately through deferred rendering it’s possible to decouple lighting from geometry such that the lighting isn’t handled until after the geometry is thrown away, which reduces the amount of time spent calculating lighting as only the visible scene is lit.
The downside to this however is that in its most basic implementation deferred rendering makes MSAA impossible (since the geometry has been thrown out), and it’s difficult to efficiently light complex materials. The MSAA problem in particular can be solved by modifying the algorithm to save the geometry data for later use (a deferred geometry pass), but the consequence is that MSAA implemented in such a manner is more expensive than usual both due to the amount of memory the saved geometry consumes and the extra work required to perform the extra sampling.
Battlefield3 G-Buffer. Image Courtesy DICE
For this reason developers have quickly been adopting post-process AA methods, primarily NVIDIA’s Fast Approximate Anti-Aliasing (FXAA). Similar in execution to AMD’s driver-based Morphological Anti-Aliasing, FXAA works on the fully rendered image and attempts to look for aliasing and blur it out. The results generally aren’t as good as MSAA (and especially not SSAA), but it’s very quick to implement (it’s just a shader program) and has a very small performance hit. Compared to the difficultly of implementing MSAA on a deferred renderer, this is faster and cheaper, and it’s why MSAA support for DX10+ games is anything but universal.
But what if there was a way to have a forward renderer with performance similar to that of a deferred renderer? That’s what AMD is proposing with one of their key tech demos for the 7000 series: Leo. Leo showcases AMD’s solution to the forward rendering lighting performance problem, which is to use a compute shader to implement light culling such that the compute shader identifies the tiles that any specific light will hit ahead of time, and then using that information only the relevant lights are computed on any given tile. The overhead for lighting is still greater than pure deferred rendering (there’s still some unnecessary lighting going on), but as proposed by AMD, it should make complex lighting cheap enough that it can be done in a forward renderer.
As AMD puts it, the advantages are twofold. The first advantage of course is that MSAA (and SSAA) compatibility is maintained, as this is still a forward render; the use of the compute shader doesn’t have any impact on the AA process. The second advantage relates to lighting itself: as we mentioned previously, deferred rendering doesn’t work well with complex materials. On the other hand forward rendering handles complex materials well, it just wasn’t fast enough until now.
Leo in turn executes on both of these concepts. Anti-aliasing is of course well represented through the use of 4x MSAA, but so are complex materials. AMD’s theme for Leo is stop motion animation, so a number of different material types are directly lit, including fabric, plastic, cardboard, and skin. The total of these parts may not be the most jaw-dropping thing you’ve ever seen, but the fact that it’s being done in a forward renderer is amazingly impressive. And if this means we can have good lighting and excellent support for real anti-aliasing, we’re all for it.
Unfortunately it’s still not clear at this time when 7970 owners will be able to get their hands on the demo. The version released to the press is still a pre-final version (version number 0.9), so presumably AMD’s demo team is still hammering out the demo before releasing it to the public.
Update: AMD has posted the Leo demo, along with their Ptex demo over at AMD Developer Central. It should work with any DX11 card, though a quick check has it failing on NVIDIA cards
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evilspoons - Friday, January 27, 2012 - link
MSI is working on that already :)http://www.anandtech.com/show/5352/msis-gus-ii-ext...
tipoo - Friday, January 27, 2012 - link
Yeah, that looks sweet...Now for non-Mac laptops to get Thunderbolt. I think some Sony's already have it, but Ivy Bridge laptops for sure.repoman27 - Saturday, January 28, 2012 - link
TB controllers have a PCIe 2.0 x4 back end, but the protocol adapter can only pump at 10Gbps, so Thunderbolt devices essentially share the equivalent of 2.5 lanes of PCIe 2.0. I was hoping that PCIe 3.0 x1 performance would be tested as well, since that would show bottlenecking very similar to what could be expected from a Thunderbolt connected GPU.Torrijos - Sunday, January 29, 2012 - link
I was wondering this too...Is there word of Thunderbolt adaptation to the evolution of PCIe technology version?
The first release being using PCIe 2, are we going to see (with Ivy Bridge) TB using PCIe 3 with more than an effective doubling of bandwidth (since they reduced overhead with PCIe 3)?
All of the sudden we would end up closer to external graphics in docking stations (or directly with large high res displays) for ultra light laptops.
DanNeely - Sunday, January 29, 2012 - link
We'd see less than a doubling of band with if TB2.0 just went from PCIe2.0 to 3.0 clocks because TB already incorporates a high efficiency encoding like 3.0 does. That's why a TB1.0 connection can carry 2.5x PCIe 2.0 lanes of data over a channel that's raw capacity is only 2 lanes wide.tynopik - Friday, January 27, 2012 - link
If your main conclusion is that x8 3.0 is plenty for crossfire, shouldn't, you know, ACTUALLY TEST crossfire at x8 3.0?bumble12 - Friday, January 27, 2012 - link
First sentence on the second paragraph of the first page:"Next week we’ll be taking a look at CrossFire performance and the performance of AMD’s first driver update. "
Guspaz - Friday, January 27, 2012 - link
I don't really understand why dumn SSAA would be so hard to implement in a game-independent, API-independent, renderer-independent fashion. The driver can simply present a larger framebuffer to the game (say, 3840x2160 for a 1080p game) and as a final step before swapping the buffer, average the pixel values in 2x2 blocks, supersampling down to the target resolution.I mean, this is how antialiasing used to work in the days before MSAA, and while there's a big performance penalty there, it has the virtue of working in any scenario, on any content or geometry.
ItsDerekDude - Friday, January 27, 2012 - link
Here it is!http://demo.ovh.com/download/37a53453c137425e584a1...
chizow - Friday, January 27, 2012 - link
So PCIe 4GB/s (2.0x8 or 3.0x4) is where high-end cards start dropping off and showing noticeable differences in performance. That is definitely going to be the big advantage IVB brings to the mainstream as you'll be able to get 8GB/s in an x8/x8 config with PCIe 3.0 cards.It'd be interesting if you could do a comparison at some point on the impact of VRAM and bandwidth and PCIe bus speeds. An ideal candidate would be a card that has 2xVRAM variants like a GTX 580 or 6970 that's still fast enough to make things interesting.
Also interesting discussion on the MSAA situation. That helps explain why enabling MSAA has caused VRAM amounts to balloon incredibly in recent games, like BF3, Skyrim, Crysis etc. That extra G-buffer with all that geometry data. Is this what Nvidia was doing in the past with their AA override compatibility bits? Telling their driver to store intermediate buffers for MSAA? Also, wasn't DX10.1/11 supposed to help with this with the ability to read back the multisample depth buffer?
In any case, I for one welcome FXAA. While it does have a blurring effect, the AA it provides with virtually no loss in performance is amazing. It allows me to run much lower levels of AA (4xMSAA + 4xTSAA max, or even 2x+2x) in conjunction with FXAA to achieve better overall AA at the expense of slight blurring. MSAA+TSAA+FXAA provides similar full-scene AA results as the much more performance expensive SGSSAA for me.