Mobile Sandy Bridge: Why You Don’t Need a Desktop

As usual, we’ll start with our application results. Sandy Bridge is fast on the desktop, particularly if you’re an enthusiast interested in overclocking; shift over to the mobile world and the quad-core versions are downright revolutionary. The only fly in the ointment here is that with the use of a discrete GPU and no switchable graphics, users lose access to Intel’s Quick Sync technology. I’ve been using that to encode videos for the family, and the result is several times faster than even my overclocked i7-965 system. Then again, I usually just start the encode/upload task and walk away; besides, the video editing process is far more time intensive than the encoding/uploading part, but I digress.

Here’s how the Eurocom Racer stacks up to the competition, and it’s going to look a lot like the other SNB i7-2630QM and i7-2720QM notebooks, albeit slightly faster than the former. The Eurocom results are in green, MSI's GT680R is in Red, and the Clevo P170HM is in black.

Futuremark PCMark Vantage

Futuremark PCMark05

3D Rendering - CINEBENCH R10

3D Rendering - CINEBENCH R10

Video Encoding - x264

Video Encoding - x264

Even without an SSD, Sandy Bridge manages to pull out some impressive numbers. Interestingly, the P150HM, aka Racer, surpasses the larger P170HM in PCMark Vantage and PCMark05. How does it manage that without an SSD when the P170HM system includes a C300? Simple: it has a hybrid hard drive, the Seagate Momentus XT. Since we run PCMark (and all of our tests) more than once, the Momentus XT is able to optimize storage and put the frequently used apps into flash memory. An SSD will still be faster overall, but hybrid storage solutions can certainly close the gap and strike a nice balance of price, capacity, and performance. Now if we could just get a hybrid with more than 4GB of flash, I'd be happy.

Most of the remaining application benchmarks have the Racer and P170HM running neck and neck, though the first pass of x264 encoding shows another large margin of victory. It’s not clear if that’s another instance of the Momentus XT helping out, or if the 2720QM’s Turbo modes were just more successful in this instance, but the more intensive second pass puts things back where we’d expect. It does look to be more of the XT rather than Turbo Boost, as while the reported score is from the first of four consecutive runs (i.e. when Turbo is at its best), the worst results for x264 encoding are still 83.0 and 26.07. Let’s move on to 3DMark for a quick preview of graphics performance before we get to the actual gaming results.

Futuremark 3DMark Vantage

Futuremark 3DMark Vantage

Futuremark 3DMark06

Futuremark 3DMark05

Futuremark 3DMark03

And this, folks, is why we don’t rely too heavily on 3DMark results. 3DMark almost raises more questions than answers, with the margin of victory for the GTX 485M ranging from 41% in Entry-Level Vantage to a tie in 3DMark06, and even a 12% loss in 3DMark03. We could say that gaming requirements are also variable, so just because one title happens to run well with NVIDIA doesn’t mean every title will go the same way, and that would be true. We can also throw out Entry Vantage and 3DMark03 as meaningless tests for this level of GPU; the Vantage Performance preset shows a much more reasonable 17% lead for the 485M.

On the other hand, one thing should be abundantly clear: given the apparently similar pricing, the 6970M is set to pummel the GTX 460M in most workloads. Outside of Entry Vantage and 3DMark03, the 6970M leads the fastest 460M system by at least 16% (3DMark05) and as much as 44% (Vantage Performance). But rather than guessing as to which version of 3DMark is the most meaningful for gamers, let’s just turn to some actual games.

Internals, Noise, Temperatures, and Analysis Gaming Performance: HD 6970M Nipping at the Heels of GTX 485M
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  • JarredWalton - Thursday, March 17, 2011 - link

    Well, the whole notebook is an ES right now, so I can't really make a judgement call one way or the other on the 6970M. If it has an ES GPU, all Eurocom needs to say is, "We sent you a pre-release notebook." (And they already said that before shipping, so we're covered on that front.) This version I received also includes the Cougar Point bug, and if were ordering it right now that would make me pretty angry. Hopefully everything will be sorted out when the product shows up on their actual site, but I wouldn't be shocked if some fishy stuff happened on occasion.

    I'd also think AMD should have something to say about them shipping ES 6970M cards to customers, at least if they're not supposed to be available yet. What notebooks have shipped with the card to actual customers as opposed to reviewers? To my knowledge, every Clevo Sandy Bridge system is still affected by the Cougar Point bug and should be recalled, so my guess is only the X7200/Phantom 2.0 would be going out to customers.
  • Windkull - Thursday, March 17, 2011 - link

    Jarred,

    They shipped some ENG samples on X7200s saying that they were not:

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/556994...

    That said, I think consensus seemed to be that the ENG samples ran a bit too hot but might actually have more cores unlocked.

    Also, Sandy Bridge Clevos have been getting delivered for about a week now, I think they started shipping 10 days ago or so.
  • JarredWalton - Thursday, March 17, 2011 - link

    See update note in the conclusion; thanks for the info!
  • jah1subs - Thursday, March 17, 2011 - link

    I see all of this information about so many laptop/notebooks. But how do I know whether or not it has a matte display? My eyes have a problem with glare.
  • JarredWalton - Thursday, March 17, 2011 - link

    Most companies will say either "glossy" or "glare type" on the LCD, or "matte" or "anti-glare". In general, though, assume everything is glossy unless otherwise noted... or buy a business laptop, which are usually anti-glare (ThinkPad, Latitude, ProBook, etc.)
  • Ikefu - Thursday, March 17, 2011 - link

    So the new Mac book pros use switchable graphics from their AMD gfx cards to the build in Sandy Bridge gpu when unplugged. Why didn't they do that here or at least give you the option?

    Is there some technical limitation preventing this with a 6970M?
  • mczak - Thursday, March 17, 2011 - link

    that's for sure. With ~10% less clocks and 25% less shader units than the GTX 485M, it ends up just slightly faster than GTX 480M.
    Though 6950M vs. 470M might be interesting - I'd expect the former to be faster but possibly not that much. It'll also depend on the exact clocks probably as those aren't really fixed for the mobile parts.
  • Beenthere - Thursday, March 17, 2011 - link

    Won't buy any product with InHell inside.
  • 5150Joker - Thursday, March 17, 2011 - link

    Jarred,

    Did you leave Physx enabled for the nvidia cards when running Vantage? It would explain why there was such a huge overall score gap.
  • JarredWalton - Friday, March 18, 2011 - link

    Oh... hmmm, yeah, I probably did. I don't know that I've ever shut off PhysX for 3DMark Vantage.

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