Hygon be Bygon

Every processor made in the US has to be of a certain performance level in order to be deemed suitable for export. Companies have pages and pages of documents relating to the performance of their hardware as determined by the metrics that govern the laws in the USA. These metrics include raw processing power, measured in gigaflops (GFLOPs), adjusted peak performance (APP), and/or the composite theoretical performance (CTP). Depending on which territory you export to, one or more of these metrics may apply.

One way around this, if you cannot import the CPU, is to have a license to build it. But more than that, if you can adjust the license and have a custom input into the design, you can relabel the hardware as a homespun device and be somewhat within the realms of plausibility. This is how one of AMD’s core designs, with modifications, has made it into a ‘Chinese’ x86 CPU for the Chinese market. The big plus on the packaging isn’t so much that it avoids import issues, but the ‘中国’ label that comes attached. Then again, one assumes that the people using these CPUs don’t exactly have a choice in what they can buy.

We discovered that these processors have been changed from the Zen 1 design in a number of ways. To say they are carbon copies of the Zen 1 SoCs, which is what a lot of people have suspected, is not true – enough has changed in the design to say that these parts are rebalanced, mostly for worse performance than their Zen 1 counterparts. The integer performance is essentially identical, however the floating point performance has been reduced – common instructions having half the throughput, and random number generation has been adjusted to be both slow and produce lower quality random numbers. The cryptography engines have also been replaced, such that common AES instructions are no longer accelerated but others more specific to the Chinese security, such as SM2, SM3, and SM4, are now included. In our testing, despite the processors showing AVX/AVX2 support when probed, it appeared to be disabled. We suspect this to be more of a firmware bug than a limitation of the Hygon CPU.

The method by which AMD was able to get an edited version of its first generation Zen core design into a ‘Chinese’ designed x86 CPU is highly convoluted. By first creating a joint venture with other Chinese companies called THATIC, then by forming two companies called HMC and Hygon each owned in different amounts between AMD and THATIC, how each business was able to discuss and control parts of the IP was sculpted in order to keep the secret sauce still in AMD’s hands, but allow the Chinese side of the ventures to request modifications. Those requests have to then be approved, and then HMC commissions the chips from GlobalFoundries, while Hygon packages them and sells them to companies like Sugon. We go into detail on this in our overview back on the first page, but suffice to say trying to follow where all the pieces are is almost like playing a game of Risk blindfolded.

With AMD unwilling to discuss on the record any of the finer details of the arrangement or changes to the processors, when asked if they could disclose how the processors were changed, we were told ‘if you find anything out, we may confirm it’. The one time I was able to see a Hygon Dhyana processor was due to a miscommunication with one of the Hygon vendors at Computex, and the person who let me take pictures suddenly stopped communicating with me after the event (I presume to keep his job). It still took over a year from those discussions to get hold of the chips for testing, and only then we were able to obtain the chips due to the current US Entity List ban covering one of the joint venture companies. This essentially killed the project dead, and caused one of the US subsidiaries to be mothballed, allowing some parts to leak onto the market where they had once been meticulously controlled.

Overall these Hygon CPUs offered China an alternative to the Intel market, and arguably something faster than they might have been able to purchase through import restrictions. AMD made some money at a time it badly needed it, but with the success of its Zen 2 platform, I don’t foresee AMD needing to do something similar over the next decade. The nature of the agreement between AMD, its joint venture THATIC, and the joint companies, was only for a single core design, Zen 1, and not Zen 2, limiting its competitiveness. Moreover, the US Entity List ban on one of the joint venture companies, for all intents and purposes, has made the project dead. The Chinese Hygon Dhyana x86 processors will still be in use by governments and other such organizations for a number of years to come, but this is bound to end up one of the oddest annals of the history of semiconductors.

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  • TheinsanegamerN - Friday, February 28, 2020 - link

    No, the context changes based on speaker, target audience, and tone. The definition of the words does NOT change. Language is not that fluid.

    Claiming language means whatever you want it to mean is a common tactic imposed by those who would use your words against you at every possible opportunity to label you as a deragatory individual. Common vernacular does not change that rapidly.
  • s.yu - Sunday, March 1, 2020 - link

    >Claiming language means whatever you want it to mean is a common tactic imposed by those who would use your words against you at every possible opportunity to label you as a deragatory individual.
    Well said.
    I heard a similar saying before but I think this is better said.
  • peevee - Thursday, February 27, 2020 - link

    "his article makes it pretty clear that they didn't give any Chinese company (or entity) the info they needed to start designing their own high-performance x86 cores in the future."

    It DOES NOT make it clear at all. They provided the license to MODIFY the design as they see fit.
  • Ian Cutress - Thursday, February 27, 2020 - link

    Any requested modifications had to be pre-approved by AMD / AMD's side of HMC.
  • FunBunny2 - Saturday, February 29, 2020 - link

    "That's in contrast to what a TON of other American companies have done when they create a joint venture to get to the Chinese market, where frequently significant amounts of IP find their way to Chinese companies."

    what's loads of funny: if you were sentient at the time, yule remember that Nixon and his capitalist handlers lauded 'opening China' as access to their market by American companies. of course, those with any brains knew that China was really opened to provide billions of cheap labor bodies. hasn't changed yet.
  • back2future - Sunday, March 1, 2020 - link

    Chinese production services provide closer and better customer support and customer oriented product development, know customer needs on lower (and middle) income levels (with knowing their own needs) on world wide comparison.
    Western companies complain about having less demand, but forget their own lack of flexibility and orientation towards customer needs? Give 'em protective duties or all more suitable environmental standards (but that won't be that big problem for future Chinese production also)?
  • khanikun - Monday, March 2, 2020 - link

    China have foundries. SMIC is their biggest one. They're still limited, since all foundries are equipped with the machinery from few companies. Chinese foundries using Chinese machinery are about 15 years behind. They're at like 28 nm or something like that.
  • FreckledTrout - Thursday, February 27, 2020 - link

    AMD was given the green light to do this by the DoD and DoC. Seriously, read the article first comment second.
  • peevee - Thursday, February 27, 2020 - link

    The convoluted scheme with AMD's part ownership of the Chinese companies looks like was specifically invented to prevent regulators from recognizing what was really happening.
  • itsmydamnation - Thursday, February 27, 2020 - link

    thats not even remotely a complex company structure, you want to see an actual complex company structure try the old CVC (F1) strcture. https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2011/05/03/news-co...

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