Conclusion: History is Written By The Victors

I have never used the word ‘bloodbath’ in a review before. It seems messy, violent, and a little bit gruesome. But when we look at the results from the new AMD Threadripper processors, it seems more than appropriate.

When collating the data together from our testing, I found it amusing that when we start comparing the high-end desktop processors, any part that was mightily impressive in the consumer space suddenly sits somewhere in the middle or back, holding its lunch money tightly. While the 16-core Ryzen 9 3950X and the 8-core Intel i9-9900KS enjoy a lot fun in the consumer space, when Threadripper rolls up, they are decidedly outclassed in performance.

AMD has scored wins across almost all of our benchmark suite. In anything embarrassingly parallel it rules the roost by a large margin (except for our one AVX-512 benchmark). Single threaded performance trails the high-frequency mainstream parts, but it is still very close. Even in memory sensitive workloads, an issue for the previous generation Threadripper parts, the new chiplet design has pushed performance to the next level. These new Threadripper processors win on core count, on high IPC, on high frequency, and on fast memory.

Is the HEDT Market Price Sensitive?

There are two areas where AMD will be questioned upon. First is the power, and why 280 W for the TDP? Truth be told, these are some of the most efficient desktop cores we have seen; it's just that AMD has piled a lot of them into a single processor. The other question is price.

Where Intel has retreated from the $2000 market, pushing its 18-core CPU back to $979, AMD has leapfrogged into that $1999 space with the 32-core and $1399 with the 24-core. This is the sort of price competition we have desperately needed in this space, although I have seen some commentary that AMD’s pricing is too high. The same criticism was leveled at Intel for the past couple of generations as well.

Now the HEDT market is a tricky one to judge. As one might expect, overall sales numbers aren’t on the level of the standard consumer volumes. Still, Intel has reported that the workstation market has a potential $10B a year addressable market, so it is still worth pursuing. While I have no direct quotes or data, I remember being told for several generations that Intel’s best-selling HEDT processors were always the highest core count, highest performance parts that money could buy. These users wanted off-the-shelf hardware, and were willing to pay for it – they just weren’t willing to pay for enterprise features. I was told that this didn’t necessarily follow when Intel pushed for 10 cores to $1979, when 8 cores were $999, but when $1979 became 18 cores, a segment of the market pushed for it. Now that we can get better performance at $1999 with 32 cores, assuming AMD can keep stock of the hardware, it stands to reason that this market will pick up interest again.

There is the issue of the new chipset, and TRX40 motherboards. Ultimately it is a slight negative that AMD has had to change chipsets and there’s no backwards compatibility. For that restriction though, we see an effective quadrupling of CPU-to-chipset bandwidth, and we’re going to see a wide range of motherboards with different controllers and support. There seems to be a good variation, even in the initial 12 motherboards coming to the market, with the potential for some of these companies to offer something off-the-wall and different. Motherboard pricing is likely to be high, with the most expensive initial motherboard, the GIGABYTE TRX40 Aorus Extreme, to be $849. Filling it up with memory afterwards won’t be cheap, either. But this does give a wide range of variation.

One of the key messages I’ve been saying this year is that AMD wants to attack the workstation market en mass. These new Threadripper processors do just that.

The Final Word

If you had told me three years ago that AMD were going to be ruling the roost in the HEDT market with high-performance 32-core processors on a leading-edge manufacturing node, I would have told you to lay off the heavy stuff. But here we are, and AMD isn’t done yet, teasing a 64-core version for next year. This is a crazy time we live in, and I’m glad to be a part of it.

AMD Third Generation Ryzen Threadripper

Price no object, the new Threadripper processors are breathing new life into the high-end desktop market. AMD is going to have to work hard to top this one. Intel is going to have to have a shift its design strategy to compete.

Many thanks to Gavin Bonshor for running the benchmarks, and Andrei Frumusanu for the memory analysis.

Gaming: F1 2018
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  • MarkusB. - Tuesday, November 26, 2019 - link

    I dont think and I dont hope that Intel is dead here. I do love the current status to be honest. Let them fight on the same level. I dont care if I use a AMD or an Intel chip at the end of the day. Let the CPUs get cheaper and more powerfull with a nice and working competition :) ... Intel will react on this and maybe in a few years Intel is back, just to be chased again by AMD. THAT´s how it should be ;) Reply
  • azfacea - Tuesday, November 26, 2019 - link

    intel won in 2005 because GloFo (part of amd then) couldnt keep up. now its reverse with TSMC. intel is dead for good Reply
  • Zizo007 - Tuesday, November 26, 2019 - link

    My last Intel was the 4770K which was a great CPU. Nowdays AMD is dominating CPU performance and I am very happy with my 4Ghz 1800X. I saw no reason to upgrade the 4770K until Ryzen has launched. Intel will catch up but this might take a year or two. Intel won't be out of business for sure and that would be bad for us since AMD will raise their prices if there is no competition. In the other hand Intel is entering the GPU market which will help them. AMD is currently suffering in the GPU market as they only have the 5700XT which cannot keep up with the RTX series and Big Navi needs a miracle to even match the old Turing architecture; Big Navy won't even be released this year. Reply
  • Dr. Denis - Tuesday, November 26, 2019 - link

    It would be nice if AMD released an entry level TR3 with 16 cores at the $900-$1000 price point. It would be like a 3950x but with the extra memory bandwidth and pcie lanes, which are really important in a variety of workloads. I think the reason why this configuration doesn't exist yet is because AMD has "Ryzen" the HEDT bar to high making the market for it too small. What do you think? Reply
  • azfacea - Tuesday, November 26, 2019 - link

    pointless product. if you are building a 3000 usd workstation you can afford 1400. if you just want pcie lanes, there are some older gen thread rippers out there for 200 usd. AMD should focus on rolling out 2 -- and not 1 -- 7nm APU dies. one quad core for 15w and below and a 8 core apu for 15 inch laptops and larger, 25W+ Reply
  • Dr. Denis - Tuesday, November 26, 2019 - link

    Well... The APU market is another story since its the only place where AMD is still behind Intel in efficiency, and consequently, in performance. We all expect zen2 will revert this in 2020.
    Back to the workstation side, it seems now that the best option for a ~16 core system for memory bound applications is the good old Skylake
    Reply
  • CyrIng - Tuesday, November 26, 2019 - link

    Thank you AnandTech for this review.
    Talking about HEDT processing, why don't include Linux benchmark results ? Do games scores make a difference for a super computer...
    Reply
  • Samus - Wednesday, November 27, 2019 - link

    I need this to decompress my torrents. I'm tired of waiting 10 seconds for a bluray to extract and would rather wait 4 seconds...it's movie time! Reply
  • 335 GT - Wednesday, November 27, 2019 - link

    AMD's biggest problem now is making enough of these. Every EPYC is sold before it leaves the fab and I suspect the same is happening with the desktop chips. Reply
  • ballsystemlord - Wednesday, November 27, 2019 - link

    No spelling or grammar errors found! Nice work, guys! Reply

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