GPU Performance: Vega 9

By offering a Vega-based GPU in its laptop products, AMD has raised the bar in terms of what kind of graphics performance should be expected in a thin and light design. Microsoft collaborated with AMD to create a unique variant of their normal Ryzen as well, offering one CU more in both the Ryzen 5, moving it to 9 Vega CUs, and the Ryzen 7, moving it to 11 Vega CUs.

As to how much extra performance that will bring, that is an open question; the absolute maximum is about 10%, but in reality, with the constraints of TDP and CPU speeds, it's likely not a huge jump over the normal Ryzen APUs found in other manufacturers devices. In reality, this is more about putting a stamp on the partnership that AMD has with Microsoft now, than a truly special processor in terms of graphics performance.

That’s not a big stretch either, since AMD already works with the Xbox team on their custom processors, and Microsoft’s Surface team has leveraged that relationship to not only give AMD a design win in an important product, but also providing the Surface team with a unique product that their competition won’t be able to utilize. Microsoft being Microsoft though still has a wide range of PC partners, and assured us that any Windows tweaks they have done to leverage this processor will be a benefit to any other laptops running Ryzen.

To see how the Ryzen 5 3580U handles GPU tasks, it was run through our Ultrabook set of gaming tests, along with a couple of additions as well to get a better feel for the GPU prowess. Gaming on a 3:2 aspect ratio device can be a bit of a challenge though, since not all games support the non-standard resolution, but if necessary you can manually set the device resolution to 1920x1080 to get around this. It doesn’t support 1366x768 though, but 1280x720 is available.

3DMark

Futuremark 3DMark Fire Strike

Futuremark 3DMark Sky Diver

Futuremark 3DMark Cloud Gate

Futuremark 3DMark Ice Storm Unlimited

Futuremark 3DMark Ice Storm Unlimited - Graphics

Futuremark 3DMark Ice Storm Unlimited - Physics

3DMark offers a wide assortment of DirectX tests, from the gaming focused Fire Strike down to the mobile focused Ice Storm Unlimited. For the Surface Laptop 3, the Picasso platform from AMD offers a solid return on investment, often outperforming the Ryzen 7 2700U despite having a slightly weaker GPU. The extra CPU performance help to eliminate some of the bottlenecks that the original Raven Ridge APU was suffering from.

Fire Strike is the test which mostly favors GPU performance, since it’s the most complex scene, and the Ryzen Surface Edition squeaks past the Core i7-8650U plus NVIDIA MX 150 combination in the Huawei MateBook X Pro. That gap remains or grows in both Sky Diver and Cloud Gate, but the mobile focused Ice Storm Unlimited results shows how much quicker the Intel processor is in that highly CPU bound test.

GFXBench

GFXBench 5.0 Aztec Ruins Normal 1080p Offscreen

GFXBench 5.0 Aztec Ruins High 1440p Offscreen

AMD’s work on low-level APIs paid dividends for them in DX12, which is the API used in the latest GFXBench tests. Here the Ryzen Surface Edition pulls a noticeable lead over the previous generation APU, and unsurprisingly a wide lead over the integrated graphics on the 8th generation Intel parts.

Dota 2

Dota 2 Reborn - Value

Dota 2 Reborn - Enthusiast

Valve’s Dota 2 can be run on a wide-range of devices, including those with integrated graphics. It’s also very much a CPU bound game so it can really highlight CPU performance on an integrated APU with a shared TDP. In our first real-world gaming test, the Surface Laptop 3 is held back by the CPU.

Tomb Raider

Tomb Raider - Value

The original Tomb Raider is quite old now, but makes for a good test for a new laptop with integrated graphics. The Ryzen 5 3580U manages to outperform the Rynen 7 2700U here despite the smaller Vega GPU on the Ryzen 5, but can’t quite match the Intel plus NVIDIA combo on the MateBook X Pro.

Rise of the Tomb Raider

Rise of the Tomb Raider - Value

The second installment in the new Tomb Raider series does leverage DX12, but even on our value settings is only barely playable on these devices.

Civilization VI

Civilization VI Enthusiast

You don’t need a lot of framerate to play Civ VI, since it’s turn based and not reliant on lightning quick reflexes, but this game struggled with the 3:2 aspect ratio on the display and wouldn’t run at less than 1920x1080, meaning it was still unplayable on the Surface Laptop 3.

GPU Conclusion

The addition of an extra Vega core in the semi-custom Ryzen APU does help in some scenarios, but is still somewhat held back by the Zen CPU cores in real-world games. That being said, it still offers a big performance gain over any of the older integrated Intel GPUs. As expected, the semi-custom nature of this APU is more about highlighting the partnership than any truly revolutionary new product.

System Performance: AMD Ryzen Microsoft Surface Edition Display Analysis
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  • Ryan Smith - Monday, October 21, 2019 - link

    Ice Lake is next on the list. But it'll be a Dell.

    A Surface vs. Surface comparison is an interesting idea though. So you'll have to stay tuned for that.
  • m53 - Wednesday, November 20, 2019 - link

    We are eagerly waiting for the 15 inch surface (AMD custom ryzen) vs 15 inch surface Business (Intel ice lake) vs 13 inch surface (Intel ice lake) comparison.
  • pjcamp - Monday, October 21, 2019 - link

    Correction: I have an original Surface laptop. It has two USB ports, not one.
  • pjcamp - Monday, October 21, 2019 - link

    My mistake. I saw Surface Laptop and read Surface Book. Not the same thing.
  • Irata - Monday, October 21, 2019 - link

    It would have been interesting to post benchmarks for e-sports titles. My kid can play Fortnite very well on my Matebook D with a Ryzen 2500u @1080p resolution and medium details.
    I am sure there are many similar titles like Overwatch and others.

    This would have been much more interesting than testing games where using the iGPU practically comes to to a slide fest even at low resolutions, i.e. they are unplayable regardless if you get 17 or 25 fps avg.

    This would also have allowed you to include Intel iGPU results in more games.
  • Icehawk - Thursday, October 24, 2019 - link

    Yeah, I don't get the sample games a lot of sites use. I want a spread - from simpler stuff all the way to the latest. Great, can't play Doom 9 but can I play Plants vs Zombies?
  • ToTTenTranz - Monday, October 21, 2019 - link

    What I don't get is why they didn't take advantage of what should be a tiny PCB, since Picasso is a full-fledged SoC, to at least put a massive >70W.h battery in there.

    It's a 15" 3:2 large laptop, RAM is soldered, SSD uses the tiny 2230 M.2 form factor and they're using a SoC with no need to eGPU, southbridge, USB controllers, etc.
    Yet Microsoft managed to put in there a small battery even for 15" standards.

    Also, what exactly are the optimizations made on the hardware level, other than just ordering APUs with one extra CU enabled?
    Actual hardware tweaks should have included support for higher clocked DDR4, like all those 1.2V DDR4 3000-3200 modules being sold right now. As it stands, the extra CU in there makes little difference since it's bandwidth starved. 128bit DDR4 2400 is giving it almost the same bandwdth as the Snapdragon 855 smartphones.

    All of this could be excused if this was a low-budget device, but the cost is way too high to fail on these things, IMO.
  • isthisavailable - Monday, October 21, 2019 - link

    Couldn't agree more.
  • edzieba - Monday, October 21, 2019 - link

    While they save some space by bringing the GPU on-package, they lose it again with an off-package chipset. Intel's Y and U series bring that on-package, which saves a lot of overall PCB space (and have an on-die GPU anyway, albeit a smaller one until Ice Lake).
  • ToTTenTranz - Tuesday, October 22, 2019 - link

    Picasso is a SoC with all I/O embedded in it. There's no need for southbridge or chipset as you're calling it.

    That's why there are PCBs with Raven Ridge / Picasso with the size of a credit card.
    https://www.computerbase.de/2018-02/amd-apu-ryzen-...

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