Power Results (15W and 25W)

Based on the SKU table, Intel was very keen to point out that all of the Y-series processors for Ice Lake and all the 15W U-series processors have cTDP up modes. This means that OEMs, if they build for it, can take advantage of a higher base power of a processor which leads to longer turbo periods and a higher frequency during sustained performance levels.

While cTDP is a good idea, one of the issues we have with the concept is that Intel’s OEM partners that design the laptops and notebooks for these processors don’t ever advertise or publicise if they’re using a CPU in cTDP up or down mode. I could understand why a vendor might not want to advertise using a down mode, but an up mode means extra performance, and it’s hard to tell from the outside what is going on.

For what it is worth, most users cannot change between these modes anyway. They are baked into the firmware and the operating system. However there are a few systems that do expose this to the user, as I recently found out with my Whiskey Lake-U platform, where the OS power plan has advanced options to set the TDP levels. Very interesting indeed.

Also, for Ice Lake-U, Intel is introducing a feature called Intel Dynamic Tuning 2.0.

We covered this in our architecture disclosure article, but the short and simple of it is that it allows OEMs to implement a system whereby the PL1/TDP of a system can change based on an algorithm over time. So it allows for higher strict turbo, and then adjusts the turbo budget over time.

This feature will be branded under Intel’s Adaptix brand, which covers all these CPU optimizations. However, it should be noted, that this feature is optional for the OEM. It requires the OEM to actually do the work to characterize the thermal profile of the system. We suspect that it will be mostly on premium devices, but as the chips roll out into cheaper systems, this will not be there. Intel is not making this feature standard.

Testing Power

Based on the time available, we weren’t able to do much power testing. What I was able to do was run a power profile during the start of our 3DPM AVX512 test in both 15W and 25W modes for the Core i7-1065G7.

The test here runs for 20 seconds, then rests for 10 seconds. Here are the first four sub-tests, and there are a lot of interesting points to note.

The peak power in these systems is clearly the PL2 mode, which on the Intel SDS platform seems to be around the 50W mode. Given that the functional test system is a bit of a chonk, with a strong thermal profile and the fan on all the time, this is perhaps to be expected. The suggested PL2 for Kaby Lake-R was 44W, so this might indicate a small jump in strategy. Of course, with the Kaby Lake-R designs, we never saw many devices that actually had a PL2 of 44W – most OEMs chose something smaller, like 22W or 35W.

The fact that the CPU can sustain a 50W PL2 means that Intel could easily release Ice Lake into the desktop market at the 35W range. Easy. Please do this Intel.

Second to note is the AVX-512 frequency. Not listed here, but under the 15W mode we saw the AVX-512 frequency around 1.0-1.1 GHz, while at 25W it was around 1.4-1.5 GHz. That’s quite a drop from non AVX-512 code, for sure.

Third, we come to the turbo window. Increasing the base TDP means that the turbo window has more budget to turbo, and we can see that this equates to more than 2x on all the sub-tests. In the 15W mode, on the first test, we blow through the budget within 5 seconds, but on the 25W mode, we can actually turbo all the way through the 20 seconds of the first test. This means that there is still technically budget on the table by the time we start the second test under the 25W mode.

Also, that third test – if you are wondering why that graph looks a little light on the data points compared to the others, it is because the AVX-512 instructions took so much of the time on the CPU, that our power software didn’t get any for itself to update the power values. We still got enough to make a graph, but that just goes to show what hammering the CPU can do.

For the base power consumption, we actually have an issue here with the observer effect. Our polling software is polling too often and spiking up the power a little bit. However, if we take the average power consumption between 25-30 seconds, under 25W this is 2.96W, and under 15W this is 2.87W, which is similar.

For users interested in the score differential between the two:

For 3DPM without AVX instructions, the 15W mode scored 816, and 25W mode scored 1020 (+25%).
For 3DPM with AVX-512, the 15W mode scored 7204, and 25W mode scored 9242 (+28%).

SPEC2017 and SPEC2006 Results (15W) System Results (15W)
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  • andrewaggb - Thursday, August 1, 2019 - link

    I'm glad you did the benchmarks. At this point everybody knows intel has manufacturing problems and that availability will be extremely limited for these parts. It's nice to know they have updated designs in a working state and that even with limited clock speeds they're pretty fast. I'm disappointed intel isn't simultaneously releasing these parts on 10nm and 14++++ but hopefully that's because they are more confident about their future roadmap.
  • eastcoast_pete - Thursday, August 1, 2019 - link

    I think they ran out of space to fit any more "++++" after the 14 nm.
  • StormyParis - Thursday, August 1, 2019 - link

    Don't they have cross-licensing with MS, allowing them to use '#' for 3+ '+' ?
  • brunis.dk - Friday, August 2, 2019 - link

    Tell me why i need to prepare months in advance? It's great you get a paper launch product in hand. But to me it's still a paper launch. What's different here from you just releasing the benchmarks on availability day? If i was in the mood for a new cpu/mobo purchase i would start saving up and buy whatever is best on the day. Agree with brakdoo!
  • Kvaern1 - Saturday, August 3, 2019 - link

    Blink if someone is forcing you to read AT articles and you need help.
  • close - Tuesday, August 6, 2019 - link

    @Kvaern1, your point that people should not criticize. So you can either applaud or move along? If nobody ever calls you out for anything then when do you learn? Pointing out something like a paper launch coming from a manufacturer with a history of deception is no without merit.

    Now whether this applies to this article is a different matter. But your low quality sarcasm response and the "only open for praise" attitude shows some troubling mediocrity.
  • eva02langley - Friday, August 2, 2019 - link

    Ian, those companies do things like that for a reason. IMHO, they want to make the public believe that 10nm is a reality, when in fact it is still a fairy tale. Intel knows that the frequency drop, the yield and the price doesn't worth the trouble to switch to 10nm. Sure, they told investors that 10nm exist and they are releasing products to claim this, but in reality, 10nm will be just there so Intel doesn't need to admit to investor that 10nm is a fiasco. If they did, the price of the stock will lose significant value and it would affect the public perception of the company.

    This is what I can take from this whole thing.
  • Klimax - Friday, August 2, 2019 - link

    Is sky blue in your world or is it some version of red? You may have had point a year or two back...
  • 0ldman79 - Friday, August 2, 2019 - link

    Uh...

    They reworked the entire 10nm process to get it going.

    This isn't impossible, it is expensive and time consuming.

    They've spent the $$$ and at least a year working on it.

    It is hardly unheard of that the single most successful tech company on the planet figured out a problem.
  • close - Tuesday, August 6, 2019 - link

    @0ldman79 "the single most successful tech company" - that's the overstatement of the millennium. And of course I'm no stranger to overstatements.

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