It does kind of suck that this article/review seems more full fledged than the Navi article. Which on one hand is understandable given that that is an entirely new architecture, but it also comes off a bit unfortunate considering the 2080 Super minor spec bump appears to have warranted what is essentially a more complete article than the competitions big launch.
FWIW: The 2000 series ryzen article had errors due to testing methodology resulting in Intel's processors looking worse. Thus it took them a while to flesh it out because they spent a long time retesting everything and rebutting shill accusations. The ryzen 3000 series article was in perfect shape on time. So, I'm just not seeing this trend.
I still think it's interesting, though, that the highest Navi card we have is a x700 part. Traditionally, an x800/x80 card held the highest tier in AMD's lineups. You would think AMD named the 5700 cards intentionally, leaving room for both lesser and greater cards. A 5800 XT card would be very interesting.
*Except for the blower cooler a 5800 XT might come with. AMD's cooling solution this generation is terrible. How can you use less power than a 2070 Super, but have a higher core temperature AND higher noise?! Embarrassing engineering and product management effort. I wish board partners could have introduced their own custom cooling solutions at the 5700 launch.
The 5700's blower is not quite as bad as reviews show - noise measurements by most hardware sites are approximate at best, and the way they most of them measure tends to exaggerate differences.
That said, I'd be really surprised if they stick with a blower for the 5800. That would be a very bad decision.
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Gemuk - Tuesday, July 23, 2019 - link
First page, second last paragraph: "Meanwhile the RTX 2070 is definitely the spoiler to NVIDIA’s stack;"I'm sure you meant RTX 2070 Super instead.
Page 2, comparison table: $699 for 2080 Super reference instead of $499.
Nice review as always. Any updates to the fleshing out of the Navi article?
Ryan Smith - Tuesday, July 23, 2019 - link
"Any updates to the fleshing out of the Navi article?"About half-done. Once I am finished, it'll both go into the article, and be posted separately.
PHlipMoD3 - Tuesday, July 23, 2019 - link
It does kind of suck that this article/review seems more full fledged than the Navi article. Which on one hand is understandable given that that is an entirely new architecture, but it also comes off a bit unfortunate considering the 2080 Super minor spec bump appears to have warranted what is essentially a more complete article than the competitions big launch.29a - Wednesday, July 24, 2019 - link
They tend to treat AMD with less respect. look at the release of every Ryzen article, it took months to get the first one done.ballsystemlord - Saturday, July 27, 2019 - link
FWIW: The 2000 series ryzen article had errors due to testing methodology resulting in Intel's processors looking worse. Thus it took them a while to flesh it out because they spent a long time retesting everything and rebutting shill accusations. The ryzen 3000 series article was in perfect shape on time. So, I'm just not seeing this trend.edzieba - Tuesday, July 23, 2019 - link
The "Performance Summary" table on the Conclusion page has RTX 1080 (presumably GTX 1080).DanNeely - Tuesday, July 23, 2019 - link
Last page typo, in the comparison table you have "RTX 2080 Super vs. RTX 1080" GTX 1080?Moizy - Tuesday, July 23, 2019 - link
I still think it's interesting, though, that the highest Navi card we have is a x700 part. Traditionally, an x800/x80 card held the highest tier in AMD's lineups. You would think AMD named the 5700 cards intentionally, leaving room for both lesser and greater cards. A 5800 XT card would be very interesting.Moizy - Tuesday, July 23, 2019 - link
*Except for the blower cooler a 5800 XT might come with. AMD's cooling solution this generation is terrible. How can you use less power than a 2070 Super, but have a higher core temperature AND higher noise?! Embarrassing engineering and product management effort. I wish board partners could have introduced their own custom cooling solutions at the 5700 launch.Spunjji - Friday, July 26, 2019 - link
The 5700's blower is not quite as bad as reviews show - noise measurements by most hardware sites are approximate at best, and the way they most of them measure tends to exaggerate differences.That said, I'd be really surprised if they stick with a blower for the 5800. That would be a very bad decision.