@Ryan: Thanks for the initial review! If I read it correctly, AMD is at risk of (again) screwing up on the driver side. I really hope that they get on this pronto, and put their collective backs into it. Even great hardware can suck if the software is buggy.
"In short, OpenCL doesn't have any good champions right now." Actually Intel, especially with their new discrete graphics card coming up. They would be mad to start a new GPU computer API and I'd expect Its unlike they would join AMD with Rocm or Nvidia with CUDA. Intel's fpga's also have opencl and its an obvious direction for them. They have been pushing intel ispc lately (unreal physics) for the cpu so it is not impossible they could push a gpu based version of that, but I think that's unlikely. ispc is more about pushing their cpu's avx512 against amd.
Also about fp64, I didn't see it mentioned anyway. for the minority like me that care, according to techpowerup it is 1:16 which would be great as I feared they would drop it all together as Intel has with Gen11. The techpowerup 5700xt entry is at https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-57...
How effective is ray tracing on a RTX 2060 Super, it is all well and good to have a feature, but if most people who purchase the card do not enable it due to the massive performance hit, is the price premium worth it?
To me it seems like the 5700 is a fantastic price to performance option, and the 2070 Super is the realistic minimum GPU you'd want if utilising ray tracing.
i don't have a card or the games but I think on a 2060 Super you'd be able to do really great at 1080P with RT. Honestly I'd rather have ray tracing and 1080P than non-RT at 4K.
This link shows the non-super 2060 hitting 60 FPS in Metro and Justice Tech so the 2060 Super should be great. I've seen demos like Bioshock with raytracing on and its just amazing. Ppl complaining about RT just doesn't make sense, the idea and tech has been around for decades and used by movie studios because its not the hacky way of visualization and its what your eyes perceive.
I'm glad we're having some evolution in gaming after DX11 in graphics thats in real image quality and not just the polygon increase the last few years. Sure its not cheap but Intel and AMD also doing it so the prices should come down when its standard. Look at how much SSD and DDR4 have dropped.
No testing of input delay or anti-lag? Definitely one of the things I think a lot of gamers are looking forward to the most if they've heard about it and if they haven't they'll be interested once they do.
That aside one of the most interesting things in the benchmarks is that the 5700XT is beating the 2070S in some 1080p tests, sometimes by a large margin. Given most gamers, especially competitive ones play at 1080p that's a pretty big deal.
I want AMD to make a 2080ti super competitor (navi 20?), and stick 2 of those together on a single PCB, putting PCIe 4.0 to good use and taking the performance crown from Nvidia.
lol going backwards in terms of perf per dollar vs Vega 56. Both Nvidia and AMD should be squashed by regulators in a sane world as this is ridiculous.
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Ryan Smith - Sunday, July 7, 2019 - link
251mm2.ballsystemlord - Sunday, July 7, 2019 - link
Thanks!eastcoast_pete - Sunday, July 7, 2019 - link
@Ryan: Thanks for the initial review! If I read it correctly, AMD is at risk of (again) screwing up on the driver side. I really hope that they get on this pronto, and put their collective backs into it. Even great hardware can suck if the software is buggy.moozoo - Sunday, July 7, 2019 - link
"In short, OpenCL doesn't have any good champions right now."Actually Intel, especially with their new discrete graphics card coming up. They would be mad to start a new GPU computer API and I'd expect Its unlike they would join AMD with Rocm or Nvidia with CUDA.
Intel's fpga's also have opencl and its an obvious direction for them.
They have been pushing intel ispc lately (unreal physics) for the cpu so it is not impossible they could push a gpu based version of that, but I think that's unlikely. ispc is more about pushing their cpu's avx512 against amd.
Also about fp64, I didn't see it mentioned anyway. for the minority like me that care, according to techpowerup it is 1:16 which would be great as I feared they would drop it all together as Intel has with Gen11. The techpowerup 5700xt entry is at https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-57...
FourEyedGeek - Sunday, July 7, 2019 - link
How effective is ray tracing on a RTX 2060 Super, it is all well and good to have a feature, but if most people who purchase the card do not enable it due to the massive performance hit, is the price premium worth it?To me it seems like the 5700 is a fantastic price to performance option, and the 2070 Super is the realistic minimum GPU you'd want if utilising ray tracing.
webdoctors - Thursday, July 11, 2019 - link
i don't have a card or the games but I think on a 2060 Super you'd be able to do really great at 1080P with RT. Honestly I'd rather have ray tracing and 1080P than non-RT at 4K.https://wccftech.com/geforce-gtx-ray-tracing-1080p...
This link shows the non-super 2060 hitting 60 FPS in Metro and Justice Tech so the 2060 Super should be great. I've seen demos like Bioshock with raytracing on and its just amazing. Ppl complaining about RT just doesn't make sense, the idea and tech has been around for decades and used by movie studios because its not the hacky way of visualization and its what your eyes perceive.
I'm glad we're having some evolution in gaming after DX11 in graphics thats in real image quality and not just the polygon increase the last few years. Sure its not cheap but Intel and AMD also doing it so the prices should come down when its standard. Look at how much SSD and DDR4 have dropped.
Bensam123 - Monday, July 8, 2019 - link
No testing of input delay or anti-lag? Definitely one of the things I think a lot of gamers are looking forward to the most if they've heard about it and if they haven't they'll be interested once they do.That aside one of the most interesting things in the benchmarks is that the 5700XT is beating the 2070S in some 1080p tests, sometimes by a large margin. Given most gamers, especially competitive ones play at 1080p that's a pretty big deal.
isthisavailable - Monday, July 8, 2019 - link
I want AMD to make a 2080ti super competitor (navi 20?), and stick 2 of those together on a single PCB, putting PCIe 4.0 to good use and taking the performance crown from Nvidia.jjj - Monday, July 8, 2019 - link
lol going backwards in terms of perf per dollar vs Vega 56.Both Nvidia and AMD should be squashed by regulators in a sane world as this is ridiculous.
eva02langley - Monday, July 8, 2019 - link
Idiot...https://static.techspot.com/articles-info/1870/ben...