Overclocking Ryzen 3000

Experience with the MSI MEG X570 Ace

It's no secret that the general consensus of overclocking with the Ryzen 3000 series has been so far disappointing. Whether it be the limitations of the new 7 nm silicon or the insane temperatures that these processors run at when overclocked, or even at stock settings with the stock cooler, to unlock the full potential of these chips, better cooling methods such as premium AIOs and custom water cooling is needed. 

Overclocking with the MSI MEG X570 Ace motherboard, there are three ways this can be achieved; within the firmware, with the simple, albeit effective tools inside the MSI Dragon Center application or with the comprehensive AMD Ryzen Master overclocking software. For the purpose of this review, we used the MSI Click BIOS 5 firmware which is very intuitive to use, and although this model was quite laggy, it still worked without issues. While the most commonly changed settings to overclock the processor include the CPU ratio which increases the frequency in increments of 100 MHz and the CPU VCore which increases the voltage pumped into the processor which not only generates extra heat but also increases power consumption.

In addition to the boost feature of the Ryzen 3000 processors, another AMD specific feature is called Precision Boost Overdrive or PBO. The three main variables that PBO works from including package power tracking (PPT), thermal design current (TDC), and the electrical design current (EDC). All three of these can be set within the firmware under the advanced section of the Precision Boost Overdrive menu, although MSI has included four different PBO profiles for users to select from. In addition to these are seven different Game Boost CPU overclocking profiles with each profile ranging from 4.0 GHz all cores up to 4.3 GHz all cores; these go up in increments of 50 MHz.

Overclocking Methodology

Our standard overclocking methodology is as follows. We select the automatic overclock options and test for stability with POV-Ray and OCCT to simulate high-end workloads. These stability tests aim to catch any immediate causes for memory or CPU errors.

For manual overclocks, based on the information gathered from the previous testing, starts off at a nominal voltage and CPU multiplier, and the multiplier is increased until the stability tests are failed. The CPU voltage is increased gradually until the stability tests are passed, and the process repeated until the motherboard reduces the multiplier automatically (due to safety protocol) or the CPU temperature reaches a stupidly high level (105ºC+). Our test bed is not in a case, which should push overclocks higher with fresher (cooler) air.

Overclocking Results

The 12+2 power delivery of the MSI MEG X570 Ace is one of the best we have seen from MSI in recent years and as a result, allowed us to manually overclock our Ryzen 7 3700X sample to 4.3 GHz with a set voltage of 1.375 V. Using the default load line calibration setting, this resulted in a load CPU VCore of 1.340 V which gives us a VDroop of 0.035 V in total. Of course, this can be alleviated by using a more aggressive LLC profile, but for the purposes of our testing, we leave this setting at auto. More voltage pumped into the CPU not only results in higher operating temperatures, but this also increases the overall power consumption.

Testing out each of MSI's seven Game Boost profiles did yield some interesting findings. First of all, each profile overvolted our Ryzen 3700X by a massive margin when you factor in what we achieved by using manual settings. Secondly, the three highest Game Boost profiles pumped insane amounts of CPU VCore in which in turn, made our 240mm AIO closed-loop cooler go into overdrive with temperatures in the triple digits. Outside of extreme overclocking, no Ryzen 3000 processor should be subjected to voltages of 1.562 V for a 4.3 GHz overclock on ambient cooling. Performance however was consistently higher with each of the profiles in our POV-Ray benchmark and by default with the Game Boost profiles, thermal throttling is disabled meaning that there is a trade-off between heat and performance. We also tested with PBO and found that performance was actually worse than the default settings, with MSI's four PBO profiles not really having much of an effect on performance; this leads us to believe for the most part, that PBO on Ryzen 3000 could do with a rework to make it more effective.

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  • Irata - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link

    Also, the MSI MEG Ace's LGA1151 version is not really much cheaper
  • rocky12345 - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link

    I am not sure about this "all at a fairly reasonable price." Since when is $369USD considered a reasonable price for a mid tier board? For us Canadians that translates to $483CAD and then if you factor in the retailers increase it becomes over $500CAD. Great review though thank you.
  • peevee - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link

    Exactly. The price is totally unreasonable. It's a price for server MBs.
  • rocky12345 - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link

    I made another post on this but since there is no edit function I am posting again on the post times for these new boards. 18-31 seconds before it even starts to boot to Windows ouch that is a long time. My current board form power press to Windows desktop only takes up to about 11-12 seconds and it also has a lot of features to setup after it posts to the screen. I have not been on an AMD platform for a very long time so maybe it is just an AMD thing and they take longer to get everything ready I am not sure. Maybe it is the same with the new Intel stuff as well.

    By the time these new boards get you to Windows on my current system I would have either had YT open and already playing a video or Netflix logged in and picking a movie or already reading an article from Anandtech site.
  • pavag - Saturday, July 20, 2019 - link

    +1
  • Daveteauk - Thursday, April 9, 2020 - link

    Rocky - my ACE posts to DT in 14 seconds, and the OS is loaded. You must have done something wrong in BIOS or your setup.
  • beginner99 - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link

    only 4 sata ports on a >$350 board is a no go. It's the only one in this price range with that limit. I currently have 2 ssds, 3hdds and a bluray connected via sata. Admittedly 1 ssd could go, and 1 hdd, bluray probably also but the one time every 2 years you need it...Anyway a asus Strix-e is cheaper and has no obvious downside to this board and 6 sata (or is it 8?). I'm aware some sata ports get disabled if you use multiple m.2 but having either option is clearly a plus.
  • rocky12345 - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link

    Yep same 4 ports would not be enough for me as well. Heck even my old z77x board supports up to 9 sata drives granted only 5 of those are Sata 6 the other 4 are only Sata 3 ports.
  • peevee - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link

    Nobody in their right mind should use more than 2 SATA devices with a MB like that for Ryzen 3 CPUs. Did you also connect perforated tape readers to your Pentium 4?
    Your main SSDs should be PCIe 4.0 x4 for this MB to make sense, for example. 1 old BD + maybe, MAYBE some new 8TB+ HDD if you need to store a lot of RAW video. But maybe an external enclosure with RAID would be better, to turn it on only when needed.
  • pavag - Saturday, July 20, 2019 - link

    I have 8 SATA drives connected.

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