Overclocking Ryzen 3000

Experience with the MSI MEG X570 Ace

It's no secret that the general consensus of overclocking with the Ryzen 3000 series has been so far disappointing. Whether it be the limitations of the new 7 nm silicon or the insane temperatures that these processors run at when overclocked, or even at stock settings with the stock cooler, to unlock the full potential of these chips, better cooling methods such as premium AIOs and custom water cooling is needed. 

Overclocking with the MSI MEG X570 Ace motherboard, there are three ways this can be achieved; within the firmware, with the simple, albeit effective tools inside the MSI Dragon Center application or with the comprehensive AMD Ryzen Master overclocking software. For the purpose of this review, we used the MSI Click BIOS 5 firmware which is very intuitive to use, and although this model was quite laggy, it still worked without issues. While the most commonly changed settings to overclock the processor include the CPU ratio which increases the frequency in increments of 100 MHz and the CPU VCore which increases the voltage pumped into the processor which not only generates extra heat but also increases power consumption.

In addition to the boost feature of the Ryzen 3000 processors, another AMD specific feature is called Precision Boost Overdrive or PBO. The three main variables that PBO works from including package power tracking (PPT), thermal design current (TDC), and the electrical design current (EDC). All three of these can be set within the firmware under the advanced section of the Precision Boost Overdrive menu, although MSI has included four different PBO profiles for users to select from. In addition to these are seven different Game Boost CPU overclocking profiles with each profile ranging from 4.0 GHz all cores up to 4.3 GHz all cores; these go up in increments of 50 MHz.

Overclocking Methodology

Our standard overclocking methodology is as follows. We select the automatic overclock options and test for stability with POV-Ray and OCCT to simulate high-end workloads. These stability tests aim to catch any immediate causes for memory or CPU errors.

For manual overclocks, based on the information gathered from the previous testing, starts off at a nominal voltage and CPU multiplier, and the multiplier is increased until the stability tests are failed. The CPU voltage is increased gradually until the stability tests are passed, and the process repeated until the motherboard reduces the multiplier automatically (due to safety protocol) or the CPU temperature reaches a stupidly high level (105ºC+). Our test bed is not in a case, which should push overclocks higher with fresher (cooler) air.

Overclocking Results

The 12+2 power delivery of the MSI MEG X570 Ace is one of the best we have seen from MSI in recent years and as a result, allowed us to manually overclock our Ryzen 7 3700X sample to 4.3 GHz with a set voltage of 1.375 V. Using the default load line calibration setting, this resulted in a load CPU VCore of 1.340 V which gives us a VDroop of 0.035 V in total. Of course, this can be alleviated by using a more aggressive LLC profile, but for the purposes of our testing, we leave this setting at auto. More voltage pumped into the CPU not only results in higher operating temperatures, but this also increases the overall power consumption.

Testing out each of MSI's seven Game Boost profiles did yield some interesting findings. First of all, each profile overvolted our Ryzen 3700X by a massive margin when you factor in what we achieved by using manual settings. Secondly, the three highest Game Boost profiles pumped insane amounts of CPU VCore in which in turn, made our 240mm AIO closed-loop cooler go into overdrive with temperatures in the triple digits. Outside of extreme overclocking, no Ryzen 3000 processor should be subjected to voltages of 1.562 V for a 4.3 GHz overclock on ambient cooling. Performance however was consistently higher with each of the profiles in our POV-Ray benchmark and by default with the Game Boost profiles, thermal throttling is disabled meaning that there is a trade-off between heat and performance. We also tested with PBO and found that performance was actually worse than the default settings, with MSI's four PBO profiles not really having much of an effect on performance; this leads us to believe for the most part, that PBO on Ryzen 3000 could do with a rework to make it more effective.

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  • Death666Angel - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link

    The time it took to write those comments, you could have visited the website and look at the manual and provide a service to everyone.
    Here:
    "Supports non-ECC UDIMM memory
    Supports ECC UDIMM memory (non-ECC mode)
    Supports un-buffered memory"
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  • Jansen - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link

    So that would be a no LOL Reply
  • npz - Saturday, July 20, 2019 - link

    All the Asrock and the Asus boards have it. Asus has had consumer ECC support since... forever. I tested on AM2.

    MSI and Gigabyte not so much. But currently Gigabyte is putting ECC in. MSI still not.
    Reply
  • Dug - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link

    Please test the components of the motherboard, it's a motherboard review. Everyone can stick a cpu on the board and run tests. But we want to see if there are any issues or performance issues with the USB, network, sound, etc. Reply
  • Irata - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link

    +1

    I would really like to see the USB performance (also CPU connected USB ports vs. chipset connected ones), the sound quality, network performance.

    But overall this is already imho a good review, but it would be better with more tests.
    Reply
  • FreihEitner - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link

    It's a crying shame that X470 and X570 only rarely make it to mATX boards. At last count (that I've seen) there are more micronic mITX boards sporting X570 than there are reasonably sized mATX boards sporting X570. I think I've still only ever seen maybe 2 mATX X470 boards as well.

    Yes my mATX case CAN take an mITX board, but I actually use the second PCIe slot.
    Reply
  • Death666Angel - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link

    I've only seen one X470 mATX board from AsRack server. But unless you have some interesting PCIe card needs, I doubt 250€ makes much sense for it. :D What was the other one you saw?
    I'm also a die hard mATX defender, but from what I heard (Buildzoid) it doesn't sell well an manufacturers are not devoting a lot of RnD to it. I think there were a few mATX X570 announced way back when (or leaked) but so far only AsRock has delivered. B550 might come to the rescue, but I wanted a new system now (Haswell is getting long in the tooth), so I just got the MSI Mortar and am happy.
    Reply
  • br83taylor - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link

    lack of SATA ports means this motherboard is DOA. What were they thinking.... Reply
  • notashill - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link

    They were probably thinking that people who use more than 4 SATA+3 NVMe drives are an incredibly tiny niche not worth catering to with this specific board. Reply
  • FreckledTrout - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link

    I'm pretty sure 3 NVMe drives plus 4 SATA drives satisfies a vast majority of use cases for this type of motherboard. Reply

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