Power Consumption: TDP Doesn't Matter

Regular readers may have come across a recent article I wrote about the state of power consumption and the magic 'TDP' numbers that Intel writes on the side of its processors. In that piece, I wrote that the single number is often both misleading and irrelevant, especially for the new Core i9 parts sitting at the top of Intel's offerings. These parts, labeled 95W, can go beyond 160W easily, and motherboard manufacturers don't adhere to Intel official specifications on turbo time. Users without appropriate cooling could hit thermal saving performance states very quickly.

Well, I'm here to tell you that the TDP numbers for the G5400 and 200GE are similarly misleading and irrelevant, but in the opposite direction.

On the official specification lists, the Athlon 200GE is rated at 35W - all of AMD's GE processors are rated at this value. The Pentium G5400 situation is a bit more complex, as it offers two values: 54W or 58W, depending on if the processor has come from a dual-core design (54W) or a cut down quad-core design (58W). There's no real way to tell which one you have without taking the heatspreader off and seeing how big the silicon is.

For our power tests, we probe the internal power registers during a heavy load (in this case, POV-Ray), and see what numbers spit out. Both Intel and AMD have been fairly good in recent memory in keeping these registers open, showing package, core, and other power values. TDP relates to the full CPU package, so here's what we see with a full load on both chips:

Power (Package), Full Load

That was fairly anticlimactic. Both CPUs have power consumption numbers well below the rated number on the box - AMD at about half, and Intel below half. So when I said those numbers were misleading and irrelevant, this is what I mean.

Truth be told, we can look at this analytically. AMD's big chips have eight cores with hyperthreading have a box number of 105W and a tested result of 117W. That's at high frequency (4.3 GHz) and all cores, so if we cut that down to two cores at the same frequency, we get 29W, which is already under the 200GE TDP. Scale the frequency back, as well as the voltage, and remember that it's a non-linear relationship, and it's quite clear to see where the 18W peak power of the 200GE comes from. The Intel chip is similar.

So why even rate it that high?

Several reasons. Firstly, vendors will argue that TDP is a measure of cooling capacity, not power (technically true), and so getting a 35W or 54W cooler is overkill for these chips, helping keep them cool and viable for longer (as they might already be rejected silicon). Riding close to the actual power consumption might give motherboard vendors more reasons to cheap out on power delivery on the cheapest products too. Then there's the argument that some chips, the ones that barely make the grade, might actually hit that power value at load, so they have to cover all scenarios. There's also perhaps a bit of market expectation: if you say it's an 18W processor, people might not take it seriously.

It all barely makes little sense but there we are. This is why we test.

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  • mczak - Monday, January 14, 2019 - link

    Yes, I'd expect at least the Athlon to be quite close to its TDP with simultaneous CPU+IGP load.
    The Pentium probably not really (although the Pentium G5500/G5600 could get close, as these have the GT2 (UHD 630) rather than the GT1 (UHD 610) graphics, which also should be much more competitive with the Athlon).
  • biiiipy - Monday, January 14, 2019 - link

    In my country the cheapest I can find is 200GE for 50€ andG5400 for 90€... yeah...
  • ET - Monday, January 14, 2019 - link

    Very nice to see a low end comparison, and a quite comprehensive one at that.

    What I don't understand is why quite a few benchmarks (especially on the IGP tests) are missing some of the CPUs.
  • Rudde - Monday, January 14, 2019 - link

    The test setup table doesn't include the G5400.
  • shabby - Monday, January 14, 2019 - link

    The g5400 is $183 on amazon...
  • T1beriu - Monday, January 14, 2019 - link

    You should have measured the power consumption for 100% CPU load + 100% GPU load, lile POV + Furmark?
  • Flunk - Monday, January 14, 2019 - link

    These are close enough that I would buy whichever I could get cheaper (with a compatible board of course).
  • Targon - Monday, January 14, 2019 - link

    Of course, if you are looking to start low but then upgrade later, socket AM4 will allow upgrades from the lowest end to top end.
  • edzieba - Tuesday, January 15, 2019 - link

    So could the Pentium, right to the 9900k.
  • eastcoast_pete - Monday, January 14, 2019 - link

    @Ian: thanks, and I agree with your conclusion, but only if the ~$60 mark is a hard upper limit. Take-home for me: if you believe that you're going to be working and gaming on the iGPU of the chip even for a few months, try as hard as you can to get the extra $40 and buy the Ryzen 2200 G instead, which retails for $99 or so. That is still the value king here, and by a big margin. Unlike either the Pentium or the Athlon, the 4 cores and the (much beefier) iGPU of the 2200G can provide the 25-30 frames/second in many of the games tested here, has generally superior performance on non-gaming applications as well, and, once the dedicated graphics card arrives, it still gives a better showing than either Athlon or Pentium. Plus, as Gavin here and others on their sites have shown, there is significant headroom left for overclocking if that extra 10% or so is a must-have. So, long in short: For a budget system, and if at all possible, get the Ryzen 2200G. It is well worth the 40 bucks more.

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