Earlier this year Intel announced that it would be introducing two new families to its low power notebook range: Whiskey Lake for new 15W (U-Series) processors, and Amber Lake for new sub-5W (Y-Series) processors. These new parts are at the core the same as the current 8th generation Kaby Lake Refresh parts, but they have been equipped with newer chipsets. With this announcement, we are expecting to see a large number of OEMs with new devices on display at the IFA trade show this week in Berlin.

Making a Name

These new processors will fall under Intel’s 8th Generation branding, which already contains its Kaby Lake Refresh 15W processors, both with and without extra embedded DRAM for its graphics. The reasoning for retaining the branding, to paraphrase Intel, is that they consider the new parts to be on a similar field as those out in the market, but with minor updates.

The updates in this case really are relatively minor from the feature set: the new parts will offer native USB 3.1 support without the need for an extra controller, and also include an integrated 802.11ac 160 MHz WiFi MAC, meaning that OEMs only need to include a Companion RF (CRF) module in order to activate it. If this sounds similar to the changes in the latest desktop chipsets, moving from Z270/Z370 to B360 and the like, it is because it is basically the same. Intel also states that these new parts also have support for Thunderbolt, even to the extent of including it in the chipset block diagram, despite not actually being part of the chipset (you still need a TB controller).

The flipside of the new parts is in the Amber Lake offerings – this will be the first set of Y-series processors on the 8th Generation naming. Both Amber Lake and Whiskey Lake are Kaby Lake underneath, there are no microarchitecture or manufacturing changes here.

Intel Whiskey Lake-U and Amber Lake-Y
AnandTech Cores
 
Base MHz Turbo
MHz
L3
Cache
TDP
PL1
TDP
PL2
IGP
UHD
IGP
MHz
DDR4 LPDDR3 Cost
Whiskey Lake
i7-8565U 4C/8T 1800 4600 8 MB 15W ? 620 1150 2400 2133 $409
i5-8265U 4C/8T 1600 3900 6 MB 15W ? 620 1100 2400 2133 $297
i3-8145U 2C/4T 2100 3900 4 MB 15W ? 620 1000 2400 2133 $281
Amber Lake
i7-8500Y 2C/4T 1500 4200 4 MB 5W ? 615 1050 - 1866 $393
i5-8200Y 2C/4T 1300 3900 4 MB 5W ? 615 950 - 1866 $291
m3-8100Y 2C/4T 1100 3400 4 MB 5W ? 615 900 - 1866 $281

From the two families, there are three SKUs apiece. Some of these may look familiar – the Core i5-8265U for example is a mirror to the Core i5-8269U which already exists under the Kaby Lake Refresh brand, albeit with eDRAM and better graphics, but not as many features native to the integrated chipset. Intel told us that for these parts, Gen 9 graphics is being used.

Each set of three is divided into i7/i5/i3 (or m3 for the Y series), however the way the chips change is different. In the U-series, the i3-8145U is a dual core and has the highest base clock, while the i7-8565U is a quad-core and has the highest turbo frequency. Moving from i7 to i5 to i3 also reduces the L3 cache size, and we get into this interesting middle ground where the i3-8145U has more L3 cache per core than the i5-8265U. All three chips support DDR4-2400 and LPDDR3-2133, though no LPDDR4.

For the Y series, the base frequency decreases from 1.5 GHz on the i7-8500Y down to 1.1 GHz on the m3-8100Y, and turbo frequencies also decrease. All three parts are dual core processors, although Intel does not state if these are native dual core parts or quad-cores with two cores disabled. The TDP / PL1 of these chips is 5W, which is actually a slight rise from the previous generation Y series processors that were at 4.5W. These CPUs also only support LPDDR3-1866 memory natively. It is also worth noting that the naming scheme for the Y-series has changed yet again: in the last generation, the m3 was given the name 7Y10c - but now the naming has come in line with the other processors.

Update 8/28

Intel Whiskey Lake-U and Amber Lake-Y
AnandTech Cores
 
Base MHz Turbo
MHz
L3
Cache
TDP
PL1
cTDP
Up
cTDP
Down
Cost
Whiskey Lake
i7-8565U 4C/8T 1800 4600 8 MB 15W 25W @
2.0GHz
10W @ 800MHz $409
i5-8265U 4C/8T 1600 3900 6 MB 15W 25W @
1.8GHz
10W @
800MHz
$297
i3-8145U 2C/4T 2100 3900 4 MB 15W 25W @
2.3GHz
10W @
800MHz
$281
Amber Lake
i7-8500Y 2C/4T 1500 4200 4 MB 5W 7W @
1.6GHz
3.5W @
600MHz
$393
i5-8200Y 2C/4T 1300 3900 4 MB 5W 7W @
1.6GHz
3.5W @
600MHz
$291
m3-8100Y 2C/4T 1100 3400 4 MB 5W 8W @
1.6GHz
4.5W @
600MHz
$281

If all of this wasn't confusing enough, OEMs can run the chips in cTDP Up and cTDP down modes. Will you be able to tell if your chip is in one of these modes? Not from looking at the box. At the end of the day, each one of the Whiskey Lake parts could be in cTDP down mode, or the Amber Lake parts be in cTDP Up mode. The only way is through testing the products on hand with performance measuring toold.

*cTDP values, UHD naming, IGP frequency, and Pricing added from ARK. Update 8/28

Chipset Talking Points

In their 15W and lower Core processors, Intel integrates the chipset into the same package as the CPU. This allows OEMs to save board space, but also increases the overall value of the processor and makes thermal management easier. With the new parts, Intel is connecting the CPU die to the chipset die using an OPI link, which is essentially similar to a DMI link in a desktop or 45W+ system, running at the equivalent of PCIe 3.0 x4 speeds. Here Intel told us that the OPI speed is running at 4 GT/s.

On the chipset side, the new generation brings up to two USB 3.1 ports natively to the chipset, which saves OEMs a little bit of money as they will not have to buy extra controllers. Similarly too, Intel also integrates a Wi-Fi MAC on the chipset, which means that OEMs only need to buy the CRF modules (which are cheaper) to enable wireless communications. Only Intel manufactures those CRF modules for now, tying the OEM into an Intel Wi-Fi CRF solution.

Intel also puts Thunderbolt 3 on this diagram, but it isn’t native. Intel only stated that you still need the chip after they were explicitly asked about this – we’re waiting on Intel to integrate TB3 onto the chipset for a few generations now, and to put it in the diagram just because it can be connected is a little disingenuous.

Also on the chipset list is an embedded gigabit Ethernet PHY, although Intel doesn’t state which MAC/PHY combination they are using from its portfolio in this case (we were told that yes it is embedded, same as previous generation, but not which model). There is also an integrated quad-core audio DSP, although little details are given.

Details about the Amber Lake PCH were not given.

Comparison Points

During Intel’s briefing, a lot of noise was made about some of the features: 2x overall performance, 12x better WiFi, 10.5x transcoding. These seem like impressive numbers, until you realise that Intel is comparing the new parts to five year old machines (e.g. Haswell-U), and none of these performance figures factor in the Spectre and Meltdown updates (the new chips are not protected in hardware, for those wondering). Does anyone remember two years ago when Intel was comparing its latest platform against three year old machines?

  • Up to 1.8x Better Web Performance (WebXPRT 3, i5 vs i5)
  • Up to 12x Faster with gigabit WiFi (Peak 2x2 160 MHz 802.11ac vs 1x1 802.11n)
  • Wifi or LTE
  • Up to 2x Better overall Performance (SYSmark 2014 SE, i5 vs i5)
  • Up to 16+ Hours Battery Life (1080p local video playback, screen 1W, Core i7)
  • Up to 10.5x Faster Video Transcoding (Handbrake, i5 vs i5)
  • * Versus 5 Year Old PC (Core i5-4200U)

Back then the reasoning behind the comparison was that most users they were targeting for updates were running 3 year old machines, and that was a large market to tap in to. If we follow on that same logic, then Intel is clearly still going after this market of people who have not updated yet. Which means that the marketing idea didn’t necessarily work before, otherwise the market Intel would be going after is still 3+, rather than 5+. Then again, comparing to older systems does make for larger comparison numbers.

OEMs with New Notebooks

Notably on the OEM front, the fact that Intel hasn't updated their Y-series CPUs since the original Kaby Lake launch in 2016 means that the major sub-15W notebook families are all overdue for updates. And even on the 15W U-series front, we're looking at the first new processors since last summer. So we're expecting to see a round of refreshes over the coming months for sub-28W laptops.

Both Apple's MacBook and MacBook Air lines are overdue for updates, so these are the kinds of processors we'd expect to find in any new iterations. Meanwhile this week is the IFA trade show in Berlin, where all the major laptop manufacturers (who aren't Apple) are expected to show off their newest thin and light (or even fanless) notebooks, and I am at the show ready to take a look.

We have meetings with Acer and Lenovo scheduled, while Huawei is also having a presentation that might produce something notebook related. If you see some news about a new laptop, ping me at @IanCutress on Twitter and I’ll try and find it at the show.

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  • iwod - Tuesday, August 28, 2018 - link

    Utter BS coming from Intel. User count on experience? What experience did they provide or improve? Without OS and other hardware partner working with them? Intel is trying their MMX and Pentium inside again, where people will buy a newer generation of product even if it was the same as last gen but a rebadge.

    If they had included the Thunderbolt controller it would have been easier to swallow because that thing cost $15. Now it is more of the same. Lies after Lies after Lies. I am not sure how intel can be trusted anymore.

    Oh if user don't care about node or uArch or technical details, please don't invite any tech journalist to your event. They might as well not write for you.
    Reply
  • hecksagon - Tuesday, August 28, 2018 - link

    Re-badge? Last generation 15w parts were dual core. Id say a >50% bump in multithreaded performance is quite a bit more than a re-badge. Reply
  • Santoval - Tuesday, August 28, 2018 - link

    The value of the 2 additional cores will strongly depend on the cooling capacity of the device, and thus the duration of the boost frequency, or else they will crash to their base frequency and have zero performance edge over the fastest Kaby Lake-U (15W) CPUs such as i7-7600U and i7-7660U. Reply
  • repoman27 - Tuesday, August 28, 2018 - link

    The only difference here is clock speeds and the move to 300-series Cannon Point chipsets. Kaby Lake R was already a thing, and Amber Lake is still dual-core. I have to believe WHL and AML are at least fabbed on 14++ though. Reply
  • iwod - Wednesday, August 29, 2018 - link

    I stand corrected, I thought the coffeelake generation in 25W parts had meant the 15W already has quad core as well. So for the 15W parts it is much better, the 5Ws parts they are more of the same. Reply
  • sing_electric - Tuesday, August 28, 2018 - link

    I know it seems like another minor upgrade (and hell, there's cases where if you're running anything Haswell or newer with a decent amount of RAM, you might not see a performance reason to upgrade), but on a scale from 1-10, I think we have to give these new chips a 14+++++++++. Reply
  • Ditiris - Wednesday, August 29, 2018 - link

    Made me smile =) Reply
  • bernstein - Tuesday, August 28, 2018 - link

    cite: "Products are sold on capabilities and user experiences, not in the fine minutiae of technical specifications."
    true, but then CPUs aren't sold to the average consumer, most don't give a rats ass about what's in their electronic devices. they care about speed, device brand & battery life.

    those that actually buy (and read articles like this) components like CPUs are very different from average joe, cut though marketing like a sheet of paper and almost exclusively care about technical details. and if those details are withheld they'll either find out or trust only benchmark results...

    this leaves the question: who's intel marketing target at? dumb "experts"?
    Reply
  • IntelUser2000 - Tuesday, August 28, 2018 - link

    Not all do, but a significant amount care for it. You are generalizing it for everyone.

    I've seen people crap on a product that was otherwise good because the CPU used was last generation.

    Intel had a presentation years ago and one of the slides said enthusiast users(like people who knows about what the specs really mean) have a market effect equal to multiple consumers. I certainly recommend computers to family and friends. So in my case, 1 enthusiast is affecting 10-15 average joes.
    Reply
  • wr3zzz - Tuesday, August 28, 2018 - link

    I think those days are gone. Instead of seeking the advice of a person who is "into it" from real life social circles younger generations have multiple virtual social circles they can tap for opinions without the embarrassment of reaching out and interacting to a real life person. Large circle "Influencers" have increasingly displaced the small circle enthusiasts. Companies gladly play to the new changes by releasing fewer information to the general public so they themselves can influence the influencers by controlling access. Reply

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