Conclusion

With these pieces I wanted to see what’s possible with the Exynos 9810. There’s definitely still room for improvement; I’m still sure a properly tuned WALT configuration like on the Snapdragon 845 S9 or the Pixel 2 would further improve the performance or battery life of the Exynos S9. I didn’t want to go down that rabbit hole for a custom kernel, for now the improved PELT changes are just as good as it reasonably gets.

One thing I did discover is the performance discrepancy between the M3 and Kryo 385 when it comes to synthetic benchmarks versus some of the web benchmarks. While 1794 MHz is enough to match the A75-based CPU cores of the Snapdragon in GeekBench or SPEC, I wasn’t able to match the higher performance in the web benchmarks unless I raised the clocks to around 2.3GHZ. I can now dismiss software as being the main culprit here, and instead there’s more fingers pointing at the micro-architecture of the M3. This has some relatively big repercussions as it begs the question of what kind of workload is actually more representative of overall Android smartphone use-cases.

The above graphic is my best guess on what the performance/power curves look like. These are based on scheduler cost tables, voltage curves and correlations to actual measured power on certain points. The big question here is what is the actual representative positioning between the two architectures in terms of performance? As we saw in part 1, the M3 can win on average in workloads such as SPEC at the same performance points as the S845. However to reach the higher performance of the 845 in web workloads we need to raise the clocks, and this of course would shift the efficiency curves around with a much bigger favour towards the Arm cores. The average is probably somewhere in-between, and Arm and Samsung hopefully have a more complete view in terms of workload characterization.

What is indisputable is that the M3 lags behind in the lower frequency states. Here, Samsung’s cores just stop scaling further down in voltage after 1170MHz, while the Snapdragon and Arm cores' power curves are just a lot steeper. Again the absolute difference is arguable depending on workloads, be it 25% or 100%. Unfortunately at this point we’re talking about insurmountable physics and there’s just no software optimisation which will overcome this.

In the end the Exynos S9 was hampered on two fronts: one being just a very unoptimised BSP (Board support package; kernel, drivers, etc) by S.LSI (With the Mobile Division also possibly being a factor), particularly the seemingly senseless chasing of higher synthetic benchmarks scores such as GeekBench. which in turn backfired very badly in any real-world workloads. Qualcomm provided Samsung with an excellent baseline BSP on the S845 S9’s – so for S.LSI not being able to do the same is just unfortunate.  The other front where the Exynos S9 was hampered was that the M3 just seems oversized and power hungry, and it can’t sufficiently act as the efficient workhorse for general workloads. Compounding problems, this comes at a cost of battery life. Here there’s just a lot more to be done to fix the efficiency and the performance discrepancy relative to Arm’s cores.

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  • lilmoe - Friday, April 20, 2018 - link

    That's Microsoft's fault. Instead of focusing on a purely mobile architecture and the "enhancing" it for the desktop after it failed, they should have worked on the desktop experience from the start to be closer to mobile in terms of efficiency and hardware acceleration without sacrificing features, information density and responsiveness, relieving it of its dependence on general cpu compute.

    Instead of going platform agnostic for a native desktop, they went with a *form factor* agnostic approach that focused on the lowest common denominator (mobile) that didn't benefit either.

    If the software is right, and workloads are properly accelerated/deligated, then the CPU of choice wouldn't be nearly as critical to get the optimum experience and performance of the device and the purpose it was is designed to serve.
  • serendip - Saturday, April 21, 2018 - link

    Indeed, you may be on to something there. Microsoft added tablet and mobile features to Windows 10 in a halfhearted way, like how the touch keyboard on Windows tablets is a laggy and inaccurate mess compared to the iPad keyboard. I bring along a folding Bluetooth keyboard with my Windows tablet because using the virtual keyboard is such a painful experience.

    That said, there's probably a ton of Win32 baggage that relies on x86 to run so it could take years for Microsoft to refactor everything.
  • MrSpadge - Saturday, April 21, 2018 - link

    Responsiveness and accuracy of your on-screen keyboard are largely determined by hardware, not MS. E.g. the keyboard on my wifes low-end Lumia 535 is pretty bad, whereas the same software on my Lumia 950 performs great.
  • LiverpoolFC5903 - Monday, April 23, 2018 - link

    The onscreen keyboard on my cube i7 book works as smoothly and quickly as any ipad or android tab. The Core m3 keeps it ticking along nicely. I use it purely as a tablet, even while working on it occasionally, with the type attachment collecting dust in my drawer.

    I think poor quality storage and CPU are the reasons for the bad experience.
  • Alexvrb - Saturday, April 21, 2018 - link

    "relieving of its dependence on general CPU compute"

    Don't smoke crack and post.
  • tuxRoller - Saturday, April 21, 2018 - link

    Otoh, arm servers are looking better all the time.
  • Hurr Durr - Saturday, April 21, 2018 - link

    It`s a pipedream, like loonix on desktop. Pretty sure it`s the same people anyway.
  • tuxRoller - Saturday, April 21, 2018 - link

    Chromeos is a thing.
  • ZolaIII - Sunday, April 22, 2018 - link

    Reed you unlettered kite pipe:
    https://blog.cloudflare.com/neon-is-the-new-black/...
  • tuxRoller - Monday, April 23, 2018 - link

    That was a great post, and it makes SVE look all the more interesting in this space.

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