Ever since their launch last year, AMD’s Threadripper CPUs have been the center of many discussions and debates. Due to their unique design – both physically and architecturally – cooling requirements and efficiency are some of the major discussion topics. All of the Threadripper models have significant power and cooling requirements, with AMD recommending liquid cooling right off the bat. However, the actual thermal design power (TDP) specifications are not that high, suggesting that a good air-based cooler could easily cope with the thermal load. And here is where things are getting complicated.

Threadripper processors step quite far outside typical CPU designs in several ways, one of which is their relatively massive physical size. The CPU’s surface area is much greater than that of all consumer CPUs before them, including Intel's LGA 20xx sockets. This sizable design choice is not because AMD couldn't squeeze the CPU dies physically closer, but because Threadripper's size is the minimum size that their engineers calculated to be effective for both the mechanical strength of the package and for sufficient heat dissipation. When Threadripper was announced, nearly all cooler manufacturers rushed to provide adapters for their products to be mounted on Threadripper processors. AMD themselves include an adapter for Asetek-based liquid coolers inside the package of the Threadripper processors. User experiences with such adapters, including our own, were less that ideal. So today we're going to take a look at why AMD's thermal requirements are so exaggerated and showcase why adapters are not effective.

AMD Threadripper Coolers: Almost the Same, But Not Quite

Most available coolers were designed with the previous generation processors in mind, and their contact surface is significantly smaller than the CPU’s surface area. Many manufacturers rushed to offer adapters for their products to be mounted on Threadripper (socket TR4) processors and several posted/presented simple mods that convert AM4-compatible coolers to fit as well. Using socket adapters and mounting typical coolers on Threadripper processor does work, but they are only partially covering the CPU’s surface area. 


Left - Noctua NH-U14S with AM4-UxS mounting braces, Right - Noctua NH-U14S TR4-SP3

There have been many debates whether the same exact cooler but with a proper contact surface would have better thermal conductance. According to basic thermal engineering theory, the cooler whose base covers more of a processor's lid should perform better. In the following pages we examine the theoretical aspect of this supposition and follow up with an experimental case study.

Thermal Conductance 101
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  • FreckledTrout - Wednesday, March 14, 2018 - link

    'Cus it's all about that base, 'bout that base, no TIM.. Reply
  • mr_tawan - Wednesday, March 14, 2018 - link

    Can you please give me some more mid. Reply
  • Holliday75 - Friday, March 16, 2018 - link

    <15hz or nuttin. Reply
  • Yurius - Wednesday, March 14, 2018 - link

    Thnx for review, but IMHO final words and conclusion is bad. Max allowed temp for 1950x is 68 degrees (https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-thre... but measured delta in best case is 59 degrees! Yes, throttling temp is about 85C, but who knows how long TR will operate with temp higher then recommended. Reply
  • E.Fyll - Wednesday, March 14, 2018 - link

    Hello Yurius. That was my bad - it is not the delta over ambient but the temperature reported by the motherboard's sensor. I had forgotten to edit the graph's subtitle. So it's 59°C real, about 9°C below the throttling point. Reply
  • Yurius - Wednesday, March 14, 2018 - link

    Wow, that's big different, thnx for update. Nevertheless it's to close even in stock on top rate cooler and there is huge problem with VRM on X399 boards, so I think AMD recommendations make sense and fullcover that fits CPU and VRM is a great idea. Reply
  • colonelclaw - Wednesday, March 14, 2018 - link

    That Noctua Threadripper cooler is a minor masterpiece of engineering. About 5 seconds after opening the box it came in, I had already forgotten about it's cost. Hell - even the box it comes in is beautifully made - a sure sign that you're dealing with a company that cares. Reply
  • FreckledTrout - Wednesday, March 14, 2018 - link

    I have a NH-D15 on my Ryzen and felt the same way when it came in. The Noctua coolers are just well made. Reply
  • tamalero - Wednesday, March 14, 2018 - link

    Agree, not only that.. they also have the signed paper of the CEO thanking you for the purchase.

    Probably one of the best coolers I've bought, right there with the famous 212EVO from CoolerMaster.
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  • Dr. Swag - Wednesday, March 14, 2018 - link

    Just out of curiosity, but what's your PhD in, Dr. Fylladitakis? Reply

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