AMD Threadripper Processors & Cooler Compatibility

In the case of AMD’s Threadripper processors, it is the third part of the CPU/Cooler arrangement that causes concerns, i.e. the coolers themselves. As we mentioned earlier, one of the major factors that affects the thermal resistance of each individual part is the cross-sectional contact area. As an extreme example, even if we could devise an ideal cooling body that has zero thermal resistance to place upon a copper contact plate, it would be ineffective if the contact plate is reduced to the size of a pinhead.

In the above figure, we split a cooler into two parts for a quick, simplified model. The first part is the contact plate and the second is the rest of the cooler. In that case, the cooler’s thermal resistance (R3) is split into two individual resistances (Rcp and Rc). If nothing were to change from before, R3 would be equal to Rcp + Rc. However, via simple math and considering heat conduction via air to be negligible, it can be derived that reducing the cross-sectional surface area of the contact plate will significantly increase its absolute thermal resistance and, in turn, the thermal resistance of the entire arrangement.

Consequently, assuming that we have the exact same CPU, lid, and cooling body, an undersized cooler’s contact plate that does not make full contact with the lid will significantly increase the thermal resistance of the whole arrangement. Furthermore, no matter how good absolute thermal resistance the cooler’s main body may have, even if we were to consider a hypothetical ideal cooler with no thermal resistance at all, the rest of the resistances are still being added to the sum that governs the total thermal conductance of the arrangement. The high thermal resistance caused by an undersized contact plate cannot be easily countered, which is why the thermal conductance of the cooler itself needs to be very high, i.e. why AMD’s cooler recommendations are so over the top.

Our previous calculations are representative of the real-world phenomena but also were based on our greatly simplified assumptions, assuming uniform heat transfer and one-dimensional conduction. A trained engineer easily realizes that real-world issues with coolers that are making only partial contact with a CPU’s lid are numerous and that they extend far beyond simple everyday thermal performance. For example, the absolute thermal resistance between the CPU dies that lie away from where the cooler is contacting the lid and the cooler’s base is manyfold greater. That is because the two primary geometric factors that affect thermal resistance, the length of the material in parallel to the heat flow and it's the cross-sectional contact area, are now greatly different.

The above figure displays two cases. In the bottom case, the contact plate of the cooler is not sufficiently large to cover the entire CPU lid, leaving part of the CPU’s dies outside the “effective” heat transfer cross-sections. This does not mean that the rest of the die does not receive any cooling - the CPU's lid will keep absorbing energy from the whole die, but the heat flow ceases to be simple one-dimensional and the distribution will not be uniform, resulting to higher temperatures near the edges of the lid and, in extend, the outermost parts of the die.

The top case is a more extreme example and assumes that a die will be left entirely outside the surface where the cooler's contact plate will be. In this case, there is no “effective” heat transfer cross-section at all and it is practically impossible to properly cool the device. Again, simplifying and solving the problem as one-dimensional is possible by splitting the process into numerous steps and taking one step at the time. We skip most of these steps and go right to the important one. As it can be seen in the above figure, the thermal resistance of the "pathway" created between the die and the contact plate is being added to the total absolute thermal resistance of the arrangement. However, the cross-sectional area of this "pathway" is very small because the thickness of the lid is comparatively tiny. This results to a massively high resistance (Rp) that will be added to the sum and cannot be effectively countered no matter how good the cooler may be.

The above two examples show that any die which is partially covered or, far worse, not covered at all by the cooler’s contact surface, may be prone to overheating and reliability issues, even if the processor’s central dies are being cooled properly, and regardless of the cooler's capabilities.

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  • iter - Friday, March 16, 2018 - link

    Oh you are sorry for me, are you? Well that sure makes you better LOL. My life rocks because there are no spineless, fake people in it. Being a true human is a deterrent for folk like you, and that is a great thing I wouldn't change for the world, as people like you are mediocre, utterly boring and of no value whatsoever, and only fit in one place - circle jerks of similar individuals. So better save your sorry for your own sorry self. Now go find another mindless drone like you to pat eachother on the backs to create the illusion of self-worth you so desperately need. Maybe talk about gender self-identification and whatnot...
  • Jedi2155 - Friday, March 16, 2018 - link

    While you my have no fake people in your life I'm going to go out on a limb and say your circle of trusted individuals is quite small. It seems you may be limiting yourself on what you're willing to understand and respect on the basis of feeling superior to others.
  • bobcov - Friday, April 6, 2018 - link

    LostWander has a point which you have quite strongly validated through the wording of your post. His advice has merit.
  • Arbie - Saturday, March 17, 2018 - link

    Iter, did you forget your WccfTech password? That's the right place to warp general commentary into a personal attack chain.
  • linuxgeex - Monday, March 19, 2018 - link

    Agree. It's obvious to anyone that a CPU cooler only works when it's attached to the CPU. A cooler that is attached only to a portion of the CPU is intuitively only cooling the portion it is attached to.

    The article could have just said that. Instead they went so deep-dive on it that honestly it felt patronizing, and that's why I agree with your response. This article is completely over-written, one might even go so far as to characterize it as self-satisfied smart-ass rant... and don't get me wrong on that... some people actually enjoy participating in reading someone else's self-glorification, and have such small egos that they don't mind their time being wasted in the process, lol.

    As for the "hate" LostWander is speaking of, that was in s/he/it's own mind. LostWander accuses you of hate only because they don't hear the sarcasm you are directing at the Engineers who suggested building and marketing the adapter which this article reveals to be so ineffective. Those individuals deserve your wry comments because they were fully aware of the shizzle they were encouraging consumers to purchase.

    Instead, Lostwander is so defensive that s/he/it assumed that any negativity must be directed toward themself personally and so they jumped in to defend their ego by attacking you, and that is sad, especially given they believe they were delivering a message of acceptance.
  • eek2121 - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    I wouldn't say that. Prime95 small-ffts load gives me 45.5C on my Enermax TR4 AIO. That's more than 'marginal'. Furthermore, if you overclock to 4.1 GHz, it is likely you'll find the Noctua unable to keep the CPU temp below 68C. My Enermax has no problems doing so.
  • romrunning - Wednesday, March 14, 2018 - link

    "AMD’s Threadripper processors certainly do not require liquid coolers to function properly at stock"

    Can we add the performance of a liquid cooler to the charts to see how the air TR-4 cooler performs against it?
  • eek2121 - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    I can tell you significantly better then that noctua.
  • mrpiggy - Wednesday, March 14, 2018 - link

    'Cus it's all about that base, 'bout that base, no treble..
  • SaolDan - Wednesday, March 14, 2018 - link

    Chuckle

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