First Thoughts

Coming into 2018, Qualcomm is facing what we expect to be a busy and certainly competitive year for the company in the smartphone platform space. Iterating on the well-received Snapdragon 835 – and without the benefit of a new manufacturing node – is no easy task. All the while Apple has once again thrown down the gauntlet with their A11 SoC if one wants to argue about top tech, and even in the Android space Qualcomm isn’t the only high-end SoC vendor, as we await to see what Samsung’s Exynos 9810 and its new Exynos M3 CPU cores can achieve.

Still, it’s a challenge that Qualcomm should be prepared for, if not a bit unevenly. With a focus on architecture the company has been hard at work for the Snapdragon 845, and as a result while it’s very much a Qualcomm SoC, it’s also not just a rehash of Snapdragon 835. Both the CPU and GPU are seeing substantial overhauls, not to mention smaller upgrades across the board for everything from the modem to the audio codec. And while Qualcomm rightfully argues that there’s more to a platform than just raw compute performance – that all of these pieces contribute to the overall user experience – they remain vital to device performance and battery life. Which is to say that Qualcomm is innovating where they need to in order to continue improving the heart of many flagship 2018 Android smartphones.

Overall the Snapdragon 845’s system performance is a mixed bag. We had higher expectations from the new CPU changes, but it seems we’ve only gotten incremental improvements. Web workloads seem to be the Snapdragon 845’s forte as that’s where we see the largest improvements. ARM is working on a long awaited overhaul as the Austin team is busy with a brand new microarchitecture which should bring larger generational improvements, but alas only with the next generation of SoCs in 2019.  For many flagship Android phones, 2018 should remain another conservative year and we should not have too high expectations.

But with that said, whatever Qualcomm doesn’t quite bring to the table with their CPU, they more than make up on the GPU side of matters. Qualcomm’s new Adreno 630 GPU easily impresses and widens the gap to the nearest competition. Compared to the Exynos 8895 and Kirin 970 I expect the Snapdragon 845 to have a 3.5-5x PPA advantage when it comes to the GPU. The competition should be worried as it’s no longer feasible to compensate the power efficiency disadvantage with larger GPU configurations and there is need for more radical change to keep up with Qualcomm.

And while we weren’t able to test for system power efficiency improvements for this preview, we weren’t left empty-handed and were able to quickly do a CPU power virus on the QRD845. The results there have turned out promising, with 1W per-core and slightly under 4W for four-core power usage, which are very much in line with the Snapdragon 835. The new system cache and GPU improvements should also noticeably improve SoC – and in turn device – efficiency, so I’m expecting that 2018’s Snapdragon 845 powered devices to showcase excellent battery life.

What remains to be seen then is how this translates into shipping products. Previous Qualcomm device previews have turned out to be rather accurate, but handset manufacturers have countless ways to customize their phones, both for good and for bad. What we can say for now is that it looks like Qualcomm has once again delivered its handset partners a solid SoC from which to build their flagship phones. So we’re eager to see what retail phones can deliver, and ultimately how the Snapdragon 845 fits into the overall market for 2018 Android flagship smartphones.

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  • yhselp - Wednesday, February 14, 2018 - link

    Wow. That's... Fingers crossed!
  • lilmoe - Tuesday, February 13, 2018 - link

    Would it be possible to completely disable the A75 cores and test the A55s alone to see the performance improvements compared to the A53s? That, in my opinion is a more meaningful comparison since your phone is running on the small cluster most of the time.
  • Andrei Frumusanu - Tuesday, February 13, 2018 - link

    We've done that in the past and I'll do it once I get my hands on devices.
  • Hotstar Download - Wednesday, February 14, 2018 - link

    How to balance https://uniqsofts.com/blogs/vidmate-online memory space
  • yhselp - Wednesday, February 14, 2018 - link

    Is it possible to update us on the status of a possible iPhone X/8 review - is it in the works, or has it been decided you won't be publishing one? Any interesting, technical insight into why it's taking longer than usual would be much appreciated, and fascinating to read. To be clear: I'm just asking politely, and not complaining.
  • Andrei Frumusanu - Wednesday, February 14, 2018 - link

    Hello, there is no technical reason for the delay; our former mobile editor Matt Humrick has left AT last summer. Ryan has not had the time to work on them alongside his editorial responsibilities. I re-joined AT at the very end of December and there was a lot of mobile back-log work to be done. I've only recently got to integrate data on the iPhones such as in this article.

    At this point in time it's highly unlikely the X/8 will get dedicated reviews but I will be integrating the data from the devices in other reviews. I will try to post an update on battery life and general update- camera comparisons will be included in the next device reviews.
  • Andrei Frumusanu - Wednesday, February 14, 2018 - link

    * at the very end of November I meant to write.
  • yhselp - Wednesday, February 14, 2018 - link

    Thank you for taking the time to respond, and shed light on the matter. Unpredictable things happen. Looking forward to seeing the data in other reviews, sustained performance in particular. I wonder whether the glass back is a detriment, thermally, compared to aluminum on older iPhones.
  • serendip - Wednesday, February 14, 2018 - link

    Being a cheapskate techie, I'm more interested to see what future midrange 6xx parts will look like. For me, flagship 8xx SoCs are overkill and I'm not willing to pay to play in that range. A quad-A55 and dual-A75 design could be a big midrange hit like the old Snapdragon 650.
  • Wardrive86 - Thursday, February 15, 2018 - link

    Snapdragon 640 : 2 x 2.15 ghz Kryo 360 Gold, 6 x 1.55 GHz Kryo 360 Silver, 1 mb L3, 1 mb system cache, Adreno 610, dual channel lpddr4x

    Snapdragon 670 : 4 x 2 ghz Kryo 360 Gold, 4 x 1.6 ghz Kryo 360 Silver, 1 mb L3, 2 mb system cache, Adreno 620, triple channel lpddr4x.

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