First Thoughts

Coming into 2018, Qualcomm is facing what we expect to be a busy and certainly competitive year for the company in the smartphone platform space. Iterating on the well-received Snapdragon 835 – and without the benefit of a new manufacturing node – is no easy task. All the while Apple has once again thrown down the gauntlet with their A11 SoC if one wants to argue about top tech, and even in the Android space Qualcomm isn’t the only high-end SoC vendor, as we await to see what Samsung’s Exynos 9810 and its new Exynos M3 CPU cores can achieve.

Still, it’s a challenge that Qualcomm should be prepared for, if not a bit unevenly. With a focus on architecture the company has been hard at work for the Snapdragon 845, and as a result while it’s very much a Qualcomm SoC, it’s also not just a rehash of Snapdragon 835. Both the CPU and GPU are seeing substantial overhauls, not to mention smaller upgrades across the board for everything from the modem to the audio codec. And while Qualcomm rightfully argues that there’s more to a platform than just raw compute performance – that all of these pieces contribute to the overall user experience – they remain vital to device performance and battery life. Which is to say that Qualcomm is innovating where they need to in order to continue improving the heart of many flagship 2018 Android smartphones.

Overall the Snapdragon 845’s system performance is a mixed bag. We had higher expectations from the new CPU changes, but it seems we’ve only gotten incremental improvements. Web workloads seem to be the Snapdragon 845’s forte as that’s where we see the largest improvements. ARM is working on a long awaited overhaul as the Austin team is busy with a brand new microarchitecture which should bring larger generational improvements, but alas only with the next generation of SoCs in 2019.  For many flagship Android phones, 2018 should remain another conservative year and we should not have too high expectations.

But with that said, whatever Qualcomm doesn’t quite bring to the table with their CPU, they more than make up on the GPU side of matters. Qualcomm’s new Adreno 630 GPU easily impresses and widens the gap to the nearest competition. Compared to the Exynos 8895 and Kirin 970 I expect the Snapdragon 845 to have a 3.5-5x PPA advantage when it comes to the GPU. The competition should be worried as it’s no longer feasible to compensate the power efficiency disadvantage with larger GPU configurations and there is need for more radical change to keep up with Qualcomm.

And while we weren’t able to test for system power efficiency improvements for this preview, we weren’t left empty-handed and were able to quickly do a CPU power virus on the QRD845. The results there have turned out promising, with 1W per-core and slightly under 4W for four-core power usage, which are very much in line with the Snapdragon 835. The new system cache and GPU improvements should also noticeably improve SoC – and in turn device – efficiency, so I’m expecting that 2018’s Snapdragon 845 powered devices to showcase excellent battery life.

What remains to be seen then is how this translates into shipping products. Previous Qualcomm device previews have turned out to be rather accurate, but handset manufacturers have countless ways to customize their phones, both for good and for bad. What we can say for now is that it looks like Qualcomm has once again delivered its handset partners a solid SoC from which to build their flagship phones. So we’re eager to see what retail phones can deliver, and ultimately how the Snapdragon 845 fits into the overall market for 2018 Android flagship smartphones.

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  • id4andrei - Monday, February 12, 2018 - link

    Andrei, what can you and the staff at Anandtech do to prevent stuff like Apple's permanent throttling from flying under the radar? I mean a new device throttles temporarily but the iphone 7 was found(by Geekbench) to have been already "permanently" throttled after one year.

    Also, could Apple dropping Dialog - maker of power management chips - have something to do with this?
  • Dr. Swag - Monday, February 12, 2018 - link

    Why have none of the soc makers besides Qualcomm and apple used anything other than Mali gpus? It's obvious that Mali is lacking in perf/watt so why not use something from, say, imagination that seems to have much better perf/watt
  • frenchy_2001 - Monday, February 12, 2018 - link

    Because integrating a different solution (like powerVR) or even designing your own (like Adreno) requires more efforts (and hence money).
    ARM offers a full turn-key solution.
    Like their CPU cores, their GPU cores are not the best, but for most of the industry, they are good enough.
    This lack of valuation of the graphic component is partly why nvidia left the phone chipset market. Few care enough to pay (in effort, silicon space or licensing) for good graphics.
    (Apple and Qualcomm obvious exception, with their own designs)
  • warrenk81 - Monday, February 12, 2018 - link

    Any update on reviews for 2017 flagship devices? iPhones, Pixels, iPads? anything? i realize it's not a trivial undertaking to review those, but something other than announcements and press releases would be nice.
  • Wardrive86 - Monday, February 12, 2018 - link

    Great article! SD845 performance seems to be right where it was expected to be. I am glad for that. It looks like even the midrange QC SoCs will be using a mix of 385 gold and silver cores at wildly varying clock speeds , various levels of "system cache" and Adreno 6xx series gpus. I think this year is going to be great from the high to the low end. Thanks for confirming that "system cache" acts like an L4. I hate to see DRAM latency has went up but from a memory perspective these new devices are completely different than what were used to
  • Yaldabaoth - Monday, February 12, 2018 - link

    So... maybe a Snapdragon 845 Netbook-style Windows S device won't suck as bad (or at least won't be as graphically laggy) when paired with suitable other components? Maybe?
  • lucam - Monday, February 12, 2018 - link

    I take this article as you have officially tested the iPhone X? :) At long last...
  • Raqia - Monday, February 12, 2018 - link

    It's interesting that they chose the lower sized 256k L2 cache per core configuration instead of going for 512k per core. Perhaps it's die space, or something to do with hitting a sweet spot in simulations against their own custom memory bus and L4 cache.
  • yhselp - Tuesday, February 13, 2018 - link

    By my utterly amateurish calculations, the S845 is the first Android SoC nearing the single-threaded performance of Apple's A9. Can't wait to see what the Exynos 9810 has to offer.
  • Krispytech - Tuesday, February 13, 2018 - link

    Geekbench scores are out for the Exynos S9 3700 single core much faster than the 845.

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