Differences from Coffee Lake to Kaby Lake

Physical Design: Pin Outs

The platform for the new Coffee Lake systems is going to look and feel very similar to the 6th and 7th Generation platform, with some minor differences, but this could lead to a lot of confusion.

Intel has made it very clear that Coffee Lake processors will work only in Z370 motherboards, and not in the previous generation Z270 motherboards. This despite the fact that both generations of boards share the same socket design due to how the pins are used. In Intel’s 8th Gen datasheet posted online, a full pin-out is provided, showing that there is indeed a difference between the new Coffee Lake processors and the older Kaby Lake processors, and what those specific differences are.

 
Coffee Lake (left), Kaby Lake (right) - not to scale
Image from David Schor, Wikichip

With the new CPUs, more pins are converted from RSVD (reserved) to VCC (power) and VSS (ground), specifically, there are 18 more power pins and 14 more ground pins, with a slight rearrangement in how the pins are provided. Most of the changes can be seen just above the central blank area to the left, where grey RSVD areas are now red.

In any regular generational change, the pin-out adjustment is to be expected. This is usually accompanied by a change in the socket, such as from one flavor of LGA115x to another flavor of LGA115x, in order to avoid any confusion as to what processors work in what motherboards. These sockets might have been physically similar, such as the socket 775 and socket 771 processors, but notched differently to avoid misplacing a CPU into the wrong socket. But this difference does not exist for Coffee Lake.

Physical Design: Notches

So the pin-outs for Coffee Lake and Kaby Lake are different, especially with the support for hex-core processors, but that is not a big story. What is a big story is as the physical socket being identical to the last platform: both use LGA1151. To compound the issue, both sets of processors have the same notches in the same places on their packages, making it very easy to place the wrong CPU in the wrong motherboard. Notches are typically used to physically restrict which processors go into which motherboards. Intel decided there was no need to differentiate this time around.

Whoever at Intel thought this was a good idea needs to reevaluate their decisions. If the new CPU was labelled as LGA1153, still had 1151 pins but slightly different notches, this wouldn’t be an issue because users would not be able to misplace (and potentially damage) their new CPUs by placing them in the wrong motherboards.

Integrated Graphics

Blowing up specialized sand aside, there is going to be a few differences in the capabilities of each platform. The new processors will support HDCP2.2 on both DisplayPort and HDMI, although an external LSPCon is still needed for HDMI 2.0.

The video outputs for Coffee Lake will be similar to that on Kaby Lake, with three display pipes supported for motherboard manufacturers to configure as needed.

The full decode/encode support is listed below.

Perhaps surprisingly, Intel did not explicitly mention the state of the integrated graphics in the new set of processors during our pre-briefing. This is odd, especially given the amount of time spent praising the virtues of previous generations of the graphics. Due to the early announcement of the processors last week, more details have emerged.

All the six processors being made available today will have Intel’s UHD Graphics 630. This is basically identical to the previous generation's HD Graphics 630, except the name is now UHD, which we suppose is for marketing purposes now that UHD content and displays are more ubiquitous when the naming first started. The other change is HDCP2.2 support.

We were told that there are performance improvements with the new graphics package, mainly from an updated driver stack but also increased frequencies. All the parts will have an idle frequency of 350 MHz, and boost up to the following frequencies:

Intel 8th Generation 'Coffee Lake' Desktop Processors
  i7-8700K i7-8700 i5-8600K i5-8400 i3-8350K i3-8100
Integrated Graphics GT2: 24 EUs GT2: 23 EUs
IGP Base Freq 350 MHz 350 MHz
IGP Turbo 1.20 GHz 1.20 GHz 1.15 GHz 1.05 GHz 1.15 GHz 1.10 GHz

In the case of the Core i7-8700K, this is a 50 MHz jump over the previous generation.

The Intel Z370 Chipset

From a high level, the Z370 chipset is identical to the Z270 chipset. The connectivity is the same, the number of supported PCIe 3.0 lanes is the same, the available bifurcation is the same, the controller support is the same: it is the same chipset under a new name, to help identify the new motherboards that support Intel’s 8th Generation processors compared to the previous chipset for the previous generation of processors.

From the chipset directly we get 20-24 PCIe 3.0 lanes, six SATA 6 Gbps ports with support for RAID 0/1/5/10, a total of 14 USB ports (either 2.0 or 3.0, up to a maximum of ten of USB 3.0), and support for network controllers, support for Thunderbolt 3, and support for Intel’s Optane memory as a boot drive. It’s critical that we say ‘support’ here, because the diagram above from Intel is misleading: Intel is not supporting Thunderbolt directly from the chipset, and motherboard manufacturers will have to include a Thunderbolt 3 controller in order to do so.

So on the face of it, the chipset is not too different. What will be different is on the motherboard-as-a-whole side.

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  • Zingam - Saturday, October 7, 2017 - link

    Not everybody has a rich daddy! Performance per dollar matters in all areas of life!
    It doesn't matter to very, very rich people or sucker fanboys!
  • mapesdhs - Monday, October 9, 2017 - link

    Again the myth that rich people don't care about wasting money. So wrong. :D As for fanboyism, that kind of label gets hurled in both directions, but IRL has little meaning.
  • Gothmoth - Thursday, October 5, 2017 - link

    an overlcocked ryzen 1700 is bit for bit the best choice.. still.
    except for hardcore gamers.

    and i bet intel paid you quite a bit to ignore stuff other (less intel biased) reviewers pointed out today.
  • mkaibear - Thursday, October 5, 2017 - link

    Ryzen has no integrated GPU so it can't be the best choice for anyone without a discrete GPU (aka the vast majority of the market - about 70% as per q1 2017). Ironically the gamers are the ones more likely to snap up Ryzen as they have discrete graphics cards anyway...
  • Ananke - Thursday, October 5, 2017 - link

    I see the same, ryzen 1700 remains the best buy, followed by ryzen 1600, which recent batches seems to have 8 cores instead of 6, for around $170. They do come with heatsink, another $30 saved. With ok board it will total $250. Even better, readily built Dell gaming desktops can achieve around $800 with r580 8gb and 16 GB ram with 1700 ryzen vs above $1100 for similar Intel. It is literally no brainer choice
  • Gastec - Saturday, October 14, 2017 - link

    Wow there, rewind! "Ryzen 1600, which recent batches seems to have 8 cores instead of 6". Care to explain more?
  • Ryan Smith - Thursday, October 5, 2017 - link

    "and i bet intel paid you quite a bit to ignore stuff other (less intel biased) reviewers pointed out today."

    You'd lose that bet.

    Now since we're apparently doing this Jeopardy style, please tell me how much you wagered so that I know how much I'm collecting. Since Intel isn't paying me, you will have to do. ;-)

    In all seriousness though, taking sides and taking bribes would be a terrible way to run a business. Trust is everything, so losing the trust of you guys (the readers) would be about the worst possible thing we could do.
  • FourEyedGeek - Saturday, October 7, 2017 - link

    Are you happy for an overclocked Ryzen 1700 to be compared against overclocked Intel processors as well?
  • gnufied - Thursday, October 5, 2017 - link

    Your bench pages are either loading very slowly or displaying Gateway timeout.
  • Ryan Smith - Thursday, October 5, 2017 - link

    Thanks. Having the server team look into it.

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